Divine Forgiveness

[Van]

Is this poster able to answer the question posited toward their statement in their post #26? Rather than make it personal toward the one who asked him to elaborate.

Post #26:
Sure, it is just dandy to ask why God chooses to rule in this way, rather than in some other way we can imagine. Can it be just to let the guilty party go free while punishing a "whipping boy?" Why does God say for the forgiveness of sin, blood must be shed?
To ask such questions is not to suggest God's word is not trustworthy, but one to seek understanding of the ways of God.

May I submit "Love" as the answer? Humans can understand that some people sacrifice themselves to protect others out of love for those being protected. A mother laying on top of her baby in a mass shooting.

The wages of sin is death, or eternal separation from God. How does God commute this sentence and remain consistent with His rules? By allowing the substitution of another death to protect the person He loves. In this God is demonstrating His love for us.

 

[JesusFan]

I think pretty much the same way.

Sorry, I forgot to answer.

I view the scapegoat as representing the sins of man being taken away. Remember what John the Baptist said about Christ? "Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world".

That said, the goat did not die. It was released into the wilderness.

The other goat was sacrificed.

Neither animal actually bore the sins of mankind. They were used in ritual prescribed by God to foreshadow what was to come.

Jesus actual though bore our sins upon Himself while upon that Cross, was the sin bearer!

 

[JonC]

1) We have already established that the sinner is punished in Christ
2) a) Yes, sins are transferable, as evidenced by the laying on of hands
b) Sin has a concrete manifestation in the spiritual realm which is invisible to the human eye.

Job 14:17 My transgression is sealed up in a bag, and thou sewest up mine iniquity.

Psa 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

Mic 7:19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

As to the objection that those expressions are merely figurative, please see note #1 in signature.

We have not established that the sinner is punished in Christ. The Bible says that God can actually forgive sins. Why do you believe the Bible would say this if it were not true?

 

[BasketFinch]

1) We have already established that the sinner is punished in Christ

We have? When? Where? The precise New Testament scripture please. Thank you, in advance.

2) a) Yes, sins are transferable, as evidenced by the laying on of hands

Scripture?

b) Sin has a concrete manifestation in the spiritual realm which is invisible to the human eye.

Scripture?

 

[JesusFan]

We have not established that the sinner is punished in Christ. The Bible says that God can actually forgive sins. Why do you believe the Bible would say this if it were not true?

the sinner is not punished in Christ, but Jesus bore our sins, and as the sin bearer, he experienced for us the wrath and judgement of the father for those sins!

 

[George Antonios]

@JonC @BasketFinch Please reread the exchange in the posts.

 

[BasketFinch]

@JonC @BasketFinch Please reread the exchange in the posts.

Please don't presume.

 

[George Antonios]

Please don't presume.

Please "reread" post #46. I did not say "read". I said "reread". I presumed only if you had already twice read the posts - which presumption would nevertheless have been reasonable.
Anyway, enough of that.