CJP69
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Someone closed the thread as I was writing this post, so I started a new thread.
(Why this place shuts down threads while they're still active, I'll never understand!)
Luke 1:28 does not "hail" Mary in the sense that the Catholics use the term. It is a greeting. In English, the equivalent is saying "Hello!" (with the exclamation point). It is an excited greeting meant to convey happy tidings for which one should rejoice. The Catholic use of "hail Mary" is precisely where Hitler got the idea of "Hail Hitler!". The use of the term in this manner is used to exalt someone but God is no respecter of persons. He blesses some more than others but not because they are sinless and of immaculate birth, as the Catholics believe of Mary.
The Catholic heresy surrounding Mary seems to have no boundary, either rational nor moral. There are five major things that the Catholics teach concerning Mary, all but one of which are not biblical in any way whatsoever, never mind rational or moral....
Theotokos: Mary is the Mother of God
Of the five, this is the only one that has any biblical basis in that, physically speaking, Mary was indeed Jesus' mother and if Mary is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. Fine and dandy.
Perpetual Virginity: Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus.
The "and after" part of this doctrine is simple nonsense that just straight out ignores the scripture...
Immaculate Conception: Mary was conceived without original sin.
Most non Catholics naturally assume that the phrase "immaculate conception" refers to the conception of Jesus in Mary but that isn't what it's talking about at all. "Immaculate Conception" is referring to Mary's conception!
That is, of course, total heresy, without any evidence whatsoever and, frankly, just ridiculous. It is their attempt to explain how Jesus could be born without a sin nature, which just shows how idiotic the doctrine is because all it does it move the problem their trying to solve back one generation.
Assumption: Mary was taken body and soul into heaven.
This doctrine teaches that at the end of her time on earth, Mary was taken (or “assumed”) body and soul into heaven and that, therefore, Jesus and Mary are the only two people in heaven who are there in both body and soul.
The purpose of this doctrine is a complete mystery, even to most Catholics. It has no basis in anything at all other than their tradition. They choose to believe this for literally no reason whatsoever.
The doctrine wasn't even formally defined until 1950 by Pope Pius XII. However, according to the Catholics, the belief in Mary's Assumption has roots in early Christian tradition. There are writings from the early Church Fathers, such as St. John Damascene and St. Gregory of Tours, that supposedly mention Mary's Assumption, although I have not been able to confirm this claim.
Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate: Mary plays a unique role in redemption.
To be fair, "co-redemptrix" is not an official dogma of the Catholic Church, but rather a common theological opinion that has been debated within Catholic theology.
Those who support the doctrine of Co-Redemptrix argue that Mary played a unique and significant role in the redemption of humanity by cooperating fully with God's plan for salvation. They emphasize Mary's cooperation with God's will, her willingness to bear Jesus, her suffering alongside Jesus during his Passion, and her ongoing intercessory role in the salvation of humanity.
Proponents of the Co-Redemptrix doctrine often point to Mary's role as the "New Eve," who participated in the redemption of humanity just as Eve participated in the fall of humanity according to Christian tradition.
Similarly, the doctrine of Mary as "Mediatrix" is also a very common but not an official doctrine of the Catholic church. It teaches that Mary plays a special role as a mediator between humanity and Jesus Christ.
Lastly, the Catholics teach that Mary is an advocate for believers, interceding on their behalf before God. So, as Mediatrix places here as a virtual equal with Christ, this doctrine makes puts her in the place of both Christ and the Holy Spirit!
All three of these last doctrines are so heretical as to be blasphemous.
(Why this place shuts down threads while they're still active, I'll never understand!)
As if one "hail Mary" isn't sufficient to disqualify it as anything that God would listen to!
Luke 1:28 does not "hail" Mary in the sense that the Catholics use the term. It is a greeting. In English, the equivalent is saying "Hello!" (with the exclamation point). It is an excited greeting meant to convey happy tidings for which one should rejoice. The Catholic use of "hail Mary" is precisely where Hitler got the idea of "Hail Hitler!". The use of the term in this manner is used to exalt someone but God is no respecter of persons. He blesses some more than others but not because they are sinless and of immaculate birth, as the Catholics believe of Mary.
The Catholic heresy surrounding Mary seems to have no boundary, either rational nor moral. There are five major things that the Catholics teach concerning Mary, all but one of which are not biblical in any way whatsoever, never mind rational or moral....
Theotokos: Mary is the Mother of God
Of the five, this is the only one that has any biblical basis in that, physically speaking, Mary was indeed Jesus' mother and if Mary is the mother of Jesus, and Jesus is God, then Mary is the Mother of God. Fine and dandy.
Perpetual Virginity: Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Jesus.
The "and after" part of this doctrine is simple nonsense that just straight out ignores the scripture...
Matthew 12:46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him.
Mark 3:31 Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. 32 And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.”
Luke 8:19 Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. 20 And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.”
Matthew 13:55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? 56 And His sisters, are they not all with us?
Acts 1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
Mark 3:31 Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. 32 And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You.”
Luke 8:19 Then His mother and brothers came to Him, and could not approach Him because of the crowd. 20 And it was told Him by some, who said, “Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, desiring to see You.”
Matthew 13:55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? 56 And His sisters, are they not all with us?
Acts 1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
Immaculate Conception: Mary was conceived without original sin.
Most non Catholics naturally assume that the phrase "immaculate conception" refers to the conception of Jesus in Mary but that isn't what it's talking about at all. "Immaculate Conception" is referring to Mary's conception!
That is, of course, total heresy, without any evidence whatsoever and, frankly, just ridiculous. It is their attempt to explain how Jesus could be born without a sin nature, which just shows how idiotic the doctrine is because all it does it move the problem their trying to solve back one generation.
Assumption: Mary was taken body and soul into heaven.
This doctrine teaches that at the end of her time on earth, Mary was taken (or “assumed”) body and soul into heaven and that, therefore, Jesus and Mary are the only two people in heaven who are there in both body and soul.
The purpose of this doctrine is a complete mystery, even to most Catholics. It has no basis in anything at all other than their tradition. They choose to believe this for literally no reason whatsoever.
The doctrine wasn't even formally defined until 1950 by Pope Pius XII. However, according to the Catholics, the belief in Mary's Assumption has roots in early Christian tradition. There are writings from the early Church Fathers, such as St. John Damascene and St. Gregory of Tours, that supposedly mention Mary's Assumption, although I have not been able to confirm this claim.
Co-redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate: Mary plays a unique role in redemption.
To be fair, "co-redemptrix" is not an official dogma of the Catholic Church, but rather a common theological opinion that has been debated within Catholic theology.
Those who support the doctrine of Co-Redemptrix argue that Mary played a unique and significant role in the redemption of humanity by cooperating fully with God's plan for salvation. They emphasize Mary's cooperation with God's will, her willingness to bear Jesus, her suffering alongside Jesus during his Passion, and her ongoing intercessory role in the salvation of humanity.
Proponents of the Co-Redemptrix doctrine often point to Mary's role as the "New Eve," who participated in the redemption of humanity just as Eve participated in the fall of humanity according to Christian tradition.
Similarly, the doctrine of Mary as "Mediatrix" is also a very common but not an official doctrine of the Catholic church. It teaches that Mary plays a special role as a mediator between humanity and Jesus Christ.
Lastly, the Catholics teach that Mary is an advocate for believers, interceding on their behalf before God. So, as Mediatrix places here as a virtual equal with Christ, this doctrine makes puts her in the place of both Christ and the Holy Spirit!
Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
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