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Divine Sovereignty

Thousand Hills

Thousand Hills

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“There is no attribute of God more comforting to his children than the doctrine of Divine Sovereignty. Under the most adverse circumstances, in the most severe troubles, they believe that Sovereignty has ordained their afflictions, that Sovereignty overrules them, and that Sovereignty will sanctify them all.

There is nothing for which the children of God ought more earnestly to contend than the dominion of their Master over all creation—the kingship of God over all the works of his own hands—the throne of God, and his right to sit upon that throne.

On the other hand, there is no doctrine more hated by worldlings, no truth of which they have made such a football, as the great, stupendous, but yet most certain doctrine of the Sovereignty of the infinite Jehovah. Men will allow God to be everywhere except on his throne.

They will allow him to be in his workshop to fashion worlds and to make stars. They will allow him to be in his almonry to dispense his alms and bestow his bounties. They will allow him to sustain the earth and bear up the pillars thereof, or light the lamps of heaven, or rule the waves of the ever-moving ocean; but when God ascends his throne, his creatures then gnash their teeth; and when we proclaim an enthroned God, and his right to do as he wills with his own, to dispose of his creatures as he thinks well, without consulting them in the matter, then it is that we are hissed and execrated, and then it is that men turn a deaf ear to us, for God on his throne is not the God they love.

They love him anywhere better than they do when he sits with his sceptre in his hand and his crown upon his head.”
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http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0077.htm
 
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Herald

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In all fairness we need to extend charity to our free will (Arminian) brethren on the issue of divine sovereignty. They are in error, but most of them would not deny that God is sovereign. These would be your typical rank-and-file believers who have been nourished on the standard fare served by broad evangelicalism. On the Baptist Board you have a condensed collection of bombastic individuals who do not represent the majority of these brethren.
 
salzer mtn

salzer mtn

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The fall of man was based on man wanting to be God, Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil, Satan's bate. Satan has always wanted to be God, this is one of the temptations that Satan tempted Christ with in the desert, Math 4:9 Satan said unto Christ, all these things will I give thee if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Calv say's let God be God and rule on his throne among men. Arminians say, we will not have this man to rule over us, so they attempt by free will to ascend to the throne of God and be their own god.
 
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Herald

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salzer mtn said:
Arminians say, we will not have this man to rule over us, so they attempt by free will to ascend to the throne of God and be their own god.
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This is bit of a reach. No mainline Arminian believes he is trying to ascend to the throne of God and be their own God. As I said in my last post, they are in error, but ascribing self-deification to their motives is wrong.
 
salzer mtn

salzer mtn

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Herald said:
This is bit of a reach. No mainline Arminian believes he is trying to ascend to the throne of God and be their own God. As I said in my last post, they are in error, but ascribing self-deification to their motives is wrong.
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Arminians believe in checkerboard religion, God with limited power makes a move, the devil with limited power makes a move, but the move that decides the game is the freewiller with all power.
 
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convicted1

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salzer mtn said:
Arminians believe in checkerboard religion, God with limited power makes a move, the devil with limited power makes a move, but the move that decides the game is the freewiller with all power.
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Just because we believe that God has given us the ability to choose between good and evil doesn't mean we believe God has given us His keys and taken His ability to drive away.
 
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psalms109:31

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"The system of truth is not one straight line, but two. No man will ever get a right view of the gospel until he knows how to look at the two lines at once. I am taught in one book to believe that what I sow I shall reap: I am taught in another place, that "it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy." I see in one place, God presiding over all in providence; and yet I see, and I cannot help seeing, that man acts as he pleases, and that God has left his actions to his own will, in a great measure. Now, if I were to declare that man was so free to act, that there was no presidence of God over his actions, I should be driven very near to Atheism; and if, on the other hand, I declare that God so overrules all things, as that man is not free enough to be responsible, I am driven at once into Antinomianism or fatalism. That God predestines, and that man is responsible, are two things that few can see. They are believed to be inconsistent and contradictory; but they are not. It is just the fault of our weak judgment. Two truths cannot be contradictory to each other. If, then, I find taught in one place that everything is fore-ordained, that is true; and if I find in another place that man is responsible for all his actions, that is true; and it is my folly that leads me to imagine that two truths can ever contradict each other. These two truths, I do not believe, can ever be welded into one upon any human anvil, but one they shall be in eternity: they are two lines that are so nearly parallel, that the mind that shall pursue them farthest, will never discover that they converge; but they do converge, and they will meet somewhere in eternity, close to the throne of God, whence all truth doth spring."

C.H. Spurgeon
 
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psalms109:31

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We either in the car with God driving us by His word or we are on our own path going were we have always been going.

Psalm 119:105
[ נ Nun ] Your word is a lamp for my feet, a light on my path.
 
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