Indeed - teaching more law breaking does not get you very far with God.
Indeed, both are "in" the kingdom and the one breaking the law is only "least" NOT LOST. You are proved wrong again.
our "more toys vs less toys" in heaven theme.
Your problem is that the scriptures clearly teach that there are rewards IN heaven for believers and our works is the basis for it - 1 Cor. 3:13-15.
You introduced Romans 6 not I - remember!
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Romans 6
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
ONe must be "UNDER" the Law to be judged by it and condemned by it and Paul says we are NOT under the law because we are "dead" to the Law - Rom. 7:1-5
So your whol argument collapses with the very first verse you choose to quote from Romans.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Christians have been made FREE FROM SIN. Bob put your thinking cap on for a moment. In what sense have Chrisitans been MADE FREE FROM SIN? He is talking about JUSTIFICATION through the death of Christ not sanctification as you are trying to prove! The unjustified false professor is NOT MADE FREE FROM SIN!
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
Verse 20 is their previous LOST and UNJUSTIFIED condition. Verse 19 by contrast is speaking of a person with TWO natures. The "infirmity of your flesh" refers to that aspect of their unregenerate nature that is not only subject to death, a servant of sin, but where the law of sin resides (7:18). This is their "members" or what Paul identifies as "the flesh" in Romans 7:14-25. "Yield" has to do with submission to the indwelling Spirit as the only way to live the Christian life.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
Their previous unregenerated, unjustified state, IN ADDITION TO their present condition of "the flesh" which will die and is subject to death and where the law of sin still rules and reigns and will until death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
You can't understand Romans 6 apart from Romans 7-8. Again, notice the phrase "MADE FREE FROM SIN" and "BECOME SERVANTS TO GOD" which refers to their justified and regenerate condition but not to their "flesh" which NEVER has been made free from sin but still "serves sin" (Rom. 7:25)
Second notice "YE HAVE fruit unto holiness" but not in their "flesh" as the flesh has the fruit of death reigning in it and is "this body of death" (Rom. 7:24) where sin still rules and reigns COMPLETELY - Rom. 7:24-25.
The "END" of what has been made FREE FROM SIN where the fruits of holiness is not "the flesh" or their unregenerate nature where the "law of sin" resides and works and will suffer death as the wages of sin is death.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Paul has introduced the dual condition of the saint in Romans 6 where the battle resides within the saint. The redeemed nature has been made FREE from sin and it is in the new inward man where the fruit of holiness abides. The lost man has NOTHING to yeild to God as the unregenerated man is a servant to sin and has never been made free from sin and is under the law.
The man in Romans 6 is a regenerated justified man WITH A FALLEN NATURE, and that FALLEN NATURE or "members" or "the flesh" is not made free from sin, is a servant of sin and will suffer the wages of sin but not so with the new inward man. Hence, the justified/regenerated man is a partaker of both life and death. When he lives in the Spirit he experiences life after the inward man, when he fails to "yield" his "members" to the power of the indwelling Spirit he experiences present death. His old man, outer man, the flesh, His members WILL NOT ESCAPE death - Rom. 7:14-25.
Only that aspect of the unregenerated man is under sin, and under the law and thus under the wages of sin which is death - "this body of death."
However, the aspect of the regenerated man is MADE FREE FROM SIN and not UNDER THE LAW
The contrast is obviously between the works of obedience vs the works of sin and the wages of sin is death "not less toys in heaven" according to Paul in Romans 6 - given to those who are "under grace" and not under law as a system for gaining salvation.
There is no "system of gaining salvation" in Romans 6 but a declaration that the justified/regenerated man is NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW, NO LONGER UNDER SIN, and thus NO LONGER UNDER DEATH.
However, this is not true for that unregenerated aspect of their human nature. It has NEVER been made from from sin and never will as it will die. It has never been made free from death as it will die. It never will have any other fruit but sin an death.
Romans 6 simply introduces and summarizes what Paul will break down and give further explanation to in Romans 7 versus Romans 8.
So to the very group that you "claim" should only be instructed about more or less toys in heaven - Paul preaches heaven vs hell in regard to their "deeds".
No "hell" mentioned in this chapter! The contrast is between life and death. Life is a "gift" only "death" is wages. There is no wages of death for the unregenerated aspect of man. There is no wages of death for that aspect MADE FREE from sin. The flesh ("members") have NEVER been made free from sin, NEVER given eternal life and that is where DEATH still reigns in our human nature and the wages will be paid in "this body of death" - Rom. 7:24
However, there is no FINAL CONDEMNATION because we are "dead" to the law, no longer "under the law" but under grace - Rom. 7:1-5. The Law can only condemn to death what is under the law, and under sin.
Why in the world you asked to have more of Romans 6 in the discussion as if it would help your speculation about more or less toys in heaven - is beyond me. What in the world were you thinking?
I didn't! You were the one that inserted Romans 6 into this discussion by quoting Romans 6:23. Romans 6:23 is placed in a context that deals with the justified man in respect to his dual nature. Your problem is that the phrases "free from sin" and "not under law" only applies to the regenerate nature of man not his "flesh" or "this body of death" where the "law of sin" continues to rule and reign and will unto physical death. Paul's response to this internal aspect of sin is to "yeild" their "members" to God the Holy Spirit in order to EXPERIENCE life here and now. Death can be experienced by the child of God here and now whenever they fail to "yeild" their members to the indwelling Holy Spirit. Death will be the wages of their "members" and nothing a child of God can do to change that.
BOTTOM LINE: You have admitted to believing in "a system of gaining salvation" by works.
