Divorce and remarriage

[Cathode]

“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matt 19:9

One of the worst misinterpretations of scripture that has devastated the world, comes from misunderstanding this scripture.

True Marriage can not be broken.

Many started interpreting this scripture to mean that infidelity is grounds for legitimate divorce and remarriage, this is false.

What it means is very different.

It’s talking about the difference between real marriage, and immoral unions.

If a man breaks from an immoral union and marries another woman, he is fine.

If a man breaks from a legitimate marriage and marries another woman, he commits adultery.

Legitimate marriage can only be undone by death.

 

[JesusFan]

“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matt 19:9

One of the worst misinterpretations of scripture that has devastated the world, comes from misunderstanding this scripture.

True Marriage can not be broken.

Many started interpreting this scripture to mean that infidelity is grounds for legitimate divorce and remarriage, this is false.

What it means is very different.

It’s talking about the difference between real marriage, and immoral unions.

If a man breaks from an immoral union and marries another woman, he is fine.

If a man breaks from a legitimate marriage and marries another woman, he commits adultery.

Legitimate marriage can only be undone by death.

Jesus and Paul does allow for scriptural divorce IF the partners unequally yoked, but ONLY if the unsaved does the divorce, for desertion, for adultery and for porn as that essentially breaks the union. But even in those extreme cases, much preferred to do separation tial and try to work it out and get resolved, but there are times when just cannot be done

 

[JesusFan]

“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matt 19:9

One of the worst misinterpretations of scripture that has devastated the world, comes from misunderstanding this scripture.

True Marriage can not be broken.

Many started interpreting this scripture to mean that infidelity is grounds for legitimate divorce and remarriage, this is false.

What it means is very different.

It’s talking about the difference between real marriage, and immoral unions.

If a man breaks from an immoral union and marries another woman, he is fine.

If a man breaks from a legitimate marriage and marries another woman, he commits adultery.

Legitimate marriage can only be undone by death.

Per God and the Bible
Jesus and Paul does allow for scriptural divorce IF the partners unequally yoked, but ONLY if the unsaved does the divorce, for desertion, for adultery and for porn as that essentially breaks the union. But even in those extreme cases, much preferred to do separation tial and try to work it out and get resolved, but there are times when just cannot be done

 

[canadyjd]

“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matt 19:9

One of the worst misinterpretations of scripture that has devastated the world, comes from misunderstanding this scripture.

True Marriage can not be broken.

Many started interpreting this scripture to mean that infidelity is grounds for legitimate divorce and remarriage, this is false.

What it means is very different.

It’s talking about the difference between real marriage, and immoral unions.

If a man breaks from an immoral union and marries another woman, he is fine.

If a man breaks from a legitimate marriage and marries another woman, he commits adultery.

Legitimate marriage can only be undone by death.

Do you believe only the RCC can do these “legitimate” marriages?

Also, how do you reconcile these beliefs with Paul’s teachings? As mentioned above, Paul allows for divorce for abandonment of a believer (but desires reconciliation if possible)

Paul also teaches if you lie with a prostitute, you become “one flesh” with her… the same languages used of Adam and Eve with the creation of the marriage union.

Some believe any sexual relations is marriage, according to these passages.

I don’t find any scripture about legitimate vs illegitimate marriage in scripture.

Peace to you

 

[Cathode]

Do you believe only the RCC can do these “legitimate” marriages?

Also, how do you reconcile these beliefs with Paul’s teachings? As mentioned above, Paul allows for divorce for abandonment of a believer (but desires reconciliation if possible)

Paul also teaches if you lie with a prostitute, you become “one flesh” with her… the same languages used of Adam and Eve with the creation of the marriage union.

Some believe any sexual relations is marriage, according to these passages.

I don’t find any scripture about legitimate vs illegitimate marriage in scripture.

Peace to you

No, Scripture makes a clear distinction between the two calling it “fornication”, the sexual act outside of marriage. So marriage is much more than just the sexual act.

“Do not be deceived: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9

Jesus and Paul does allow for scriptural divorce IF the partners unequally yoked, but ONLY if the unsaved does the divorce, for desertion, for adultery and for porn as that essentially breaks the union. But even in those extreme cases, much preferred to do separation tial and try to work it out and get resolved, but there are times when just cannot be done

Unequally yoked means there was an impediment to the marriage from the start, which means the marriage was null from the start. It was not legitimate marriage.

 

[Reynolds]

“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matt 19:9

One of the worst misinterpretations of scripture that has devastated the world, comes from misunderstanding this scripture.

True Marriage can not be broken.

Many started interpreting this scripture to mean that infidelity is grounds for legitimate divorce and remarriage, this is false.

What it means is very different.

It’s talking about the difference between real marriage, and immoral unions.

If a man breaks from an immoral union and marries another woman, he is fine.

If a man breaks from a legitimate marriage and marries another woman, he commits adultery.

Legitimate marriage can only be undone by death.

Jesus statement was plain. Sexual immorality is grounds for blameless divorce.

 

[Cathode]

Jesus statement was plain. Sexual immorality is grounds for blameless divorce.

No.

“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”

πορνεια

It’s making the distinction between wife and girlfriend ‘fornication’.

It’s not saying that if your wife cheats, you can divorce her and remarry.

So he who divorces his wife, not live in girlfriend.

A wife doesn’t commit fornication, she commits adultery. So the meaning of the passage is making the distinction between a wife and a girlfriend in fornication.

 

[Reynolds]

No.

“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”

πορνεια

It’s making the distinction between wife and girlfriend ‘fornication’.

It’s not saying that if your wife cheats, you can divorce her and remarry.

So he who divorces his wife, not live in girlfriend.

A wife doesn’t commit fornication, she commits adultery. So the meaning of the passage is making the distinction between a wife and a girlfriend in fornication.

Thayer's Definition of Porneia
"illicit sexual intercourse
adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc."

 

[Cathode]

Thayer's Definition of Porneia
"illicit sexual intercourse
adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc."

μοιχός (moichos) adultery is a different word. Not πορνεια

In the context of the passage

μοιχαται ‘ he commits adultery ‘

So if they were the same word the passage would read.

“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for adultery, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”

This doesn’t make sense. It’s stupid.

Two different words are used.

πόρνοι fornicators and μοιχοὶ adulterers

“Do not be deceived: Neither πόρνοι ( pornoi ) fornicators nor idolaters nor μοιχοὶ ( moichoi ) adulterers nor men who have sex with men. “ 1 Corinthians 6:9

So Matthew 19:9 takes on a very different meaning.

It doesn’t say that if your wife commits adultery that you can divorce her and remarry.

He is talking about a legitimate wife vs girlfriend he might be fornicating with. An Illegitimate union.

Using this verse as grounds for divorce and remarriage is unscriptural.

You can put aside a girlfriend and marry another. You can not put aside a wife and remarry.

Too many have wrongly used this verse to justify divorce and remarriage, endangering their souls.

Adulterers don’t inherit the Kingdom.

 

[JesusFan]

No, Scripture makes a clear distinction between the two calling it “fornication”, the sexual act outside of marriage. So marriage is much more than just the sexual act.

“Do not be deceived: Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9


Unequally yoked means there was an impediment to the marriage from the start, which means the marriage was null from the start. It was not legitimate marriage.

No unequally yoked in context refers to one for example saved. other still lost, one a Christian, other another religion etc and Rome does not make the wedding and marriage legal in sight of God, as the marriage relationship itself set apart by God as a viably union before God WAY before Rome even existed

 

[JesusFan]

Jesus statement was plain. Sexual immorality is grounds for blameless divorce.

and even then GGod allows for divorce due to hardness of hearts, but much prefers roncialation and forgiveness if at all possible

 

[Reynolds]

μοιχός (moichos) adultery is a different word. Not πορνεια

In the context of the passage

μοιχαται ‘ he commits adultery ‘

So if they were the same word the passage would read.

“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for adultery, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”

This doesn’t make sense. It’s stupid.

Two different words are used.

πόρνοι fornicators and μοιχοὶ adulterers

“Do not be deceived: Neither πόρνοι ( pornoi ) fornicators nor idolaters nor μοιχοὶ ( moichoi ) adulterers nor men who have sex with men. “ 1 Corinthians 6:9

So Matthew 19:9 takes on a very different meaning.

It doesn’t say that if your wife commits adultery that you can divorce her and remarry.

He is talking about a legitimate wife vs girlfriend he might be fornicating with. An Illegitimate union.

Using this verse as grounds for divorce and remarriage is unscriptural.

You can put aside a girlfriend and marry another. You can not put aside a wife and remarry.

Too many have wrongly used this verse to justify divorce and remarriage, endangering their souls.

Adulterers don’t inherit the Kingdom.

I Trust Thayer's Greek scholarship more than I trust yours.

 

[Cathode]

I Trust Thayer's Greek scholarship more than I trust yours.

Scripture uses two separate words for fornication and adultery. No matter what Thayer says.

 

[JesusFan]

Scripture uses two separate words for fornication and adultery. No matter what Thayer says.

Both sexual sins

 

[atpollard]

Technically, wasn’t the penalty for adultery “stoning”?
So, the husband of a wife caught in adultery does not NEED a divorce, he would legitimately be a WIDOWER under the law.

It is always a dangerous thing to treat THEN as if it was NOW. Cultural context matters when attempting to understand the message as the hearers understood it.

 

[Cathode]

Both sexual sins

Adultery is more akin to theft, only with sexual element to it.

 

[JesusFan]

Adultery is more akin to theft, only with sexual element to it.

Both seen as major sexual sinning as joining yourself to in sight of God a prostitute now

 

[Saved421]

“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matt 19:9

One of the worst misinterpretations of scripture that has devastated the world, comes from misunderstanding this scripture.

True Marriage can not be broken.

Many started interpreting this scripture to mean that infidelity is grounds for legitimate divorce and remarriage, this is false.

What it means is very different.

It’s talking about the difference between real marriage, and immoral unions.

If a man breaks from an immoral union and marries another woman, he is fine.

If a man breaks from a legitimate marriage and marries another woman, he commits adultery.

Legitimate marriage can only be undone by death.

Dear Cathode,

This is an interesting point, the discussion is very interesting.

I believe that only fornication is the only exception besides death that can be remarried.

Take care, and may the good Lord give us more understanding day by day.

 

[Cathode]

Technically, wasn’t the penalty for adultery “stoning”?
So, the husband of a wife caught in adultery does not NEED a divorce, he would legitimately be a WIDOWER under the law.

It is always a dangerous thing to treat THEN as if it was NOW. Cultural context matters when attempting to understand the message as the hearers understood it.

Very true dude.

Adultery of your spouse leaves you completely free to remarry anyway because they would be stoned to death under mosaic law.

This gives greater strength to the interpretation.

The verse is talking about the difference between a marriage and de facto relationship.

You can leave a de facto relationship (fornication) and remarry, but you can’t leave a marriage and remarry.

 

[Saved421]

“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." Matt 19:9

One of the worst misinterpretations of scripture that has devastated the world, comes from misunderstanding this scripture.

True Marriage can not be broken.

Many started interpreting this scripture to mean that infidelity is grounds for legitimate divorce and remarriage, this is false.

What it means is very different.

It’s talking about the difference between real marriage, and immoral unions.

If a man breaks from an immoral union and marries another woman, he is fine.

If a man breaks from a legitimate marriage and marries another woman, he commits adultery.

Legitimate marriage can only be undone by death.

That's what I always believed about that verse, also infidelity sounds the same as immoral to me, is it different?