DL Moody

[evangelist6589]

I don't know that this is "pride". When I lived in Germany you just didn't talk to people on the street uninvited (something I loved about living there). But I can see how tracts can be useful.

Good because lots and lots of people in DT Denver do not want to talk. However if I worked evenings I would have time to do college evangelism and in that environment people would have time to argue and tell me I am wrong and in that environment I would probably do more open air preaching and using books and or booklet to engage the students.

Evangelism is different depending on context. Back in SC more students roamed the streets and so I did not have as many tracts as I do know because more had time to talk with me.

 

[annsni]

You carry tracts?????? What type? Can you post a link?

Yes I do. I have carried the Four Spiritual Laws and Would You Like to Know God Personally by CRU (basically an updated version of the Four Spiritual Laws). I also make sure my name and contact info are written on the back and I'm sure to give it to a person and tell them that they are welcome to call me or e-mail me anytime they have a question or want to talk more. I've given them out in personal contact situations where I felt the person was not ready to respond right now but I didn't want to leave them alone with only what we said. I'll often try to follow up with them and make sure to give them a Bible as well.

 

[John of Japan]

I believe that Moody was one of the greatest evangelists of his day, early on this was probably the result of his philosophy of combining evangelism with effective social work.

I'm not sure where you get this; I've never heard that he combined evangelism with social work, and I have two biographies of Moody.

In reality, his power in the pulpit came straight from the fullness of the Holy Spirit. Read this article about Moody's experience by his co-worker, R. A. Torrey: http://www.wholesomewords.org/biography/biomoody6.html

 

[Yeshua1]

Did you know that DL Moody and his followers passed out millions of tracts in their day? Many of you respect Moody but many of you are against tracts. Why?

Not against tracts, but find itmore profittable to live as witnesses for Him at school/work/family, and tell others once have a reltionship etablished!
When friends and those who know us see Christ in us, our lives have punch!

 

[John of Japan]

Do you know of any tracts that are just presentations of the gospel message (without the gimmicks or cartoons)? I may be interested in that.

Here is a long, gimmick-less tract that presents the Gospel carefully, compassionately and fully:http://www.swordbooks.com/whatmustidotobesavedeng.aspx

This tract has been in print continuously for over 40 years, and tens of thousands have been saved through it in about 30 languages.

 

[annsni]

Here is a long, gimmick-less tract that presents the Gospel carefully, compassionately and fully:http://www.swordbooks.com/whatmustidotobesavedeng.aspx

This tract has been in print continuously for over 40 years, and tens of thousands have been saved through it in about 30 languages.

I would LOVE to see that updated in a more modern look to the package - something that is more likely for someone to open it than something from 60 years ago. I wonder if that would be possible.

 

[John of Japan]

I would LOVE to see that updated in a more modern look to the package - something that is more likely for someone to open it than something from 60 years ago. I wonder if that would be possible.

Well, now, if I were running the place.... All I know to say is to write Shelton Smith and ask about it, since he is the current head of the ministry.

 

[JonC]

Here is a long, gimmick-less tract that presents the Gospel carefully, compassionately and fully:http://www.swordbooks.com/whatmustidotobesavedeng.aspx

This tract has been in print continuously for over 40 years, and tens of thousands have been saved through it in about 30 languages.

Thank you. I remember you posting this awhile back but couldn't find the thread.

 

[JonC]

I'm not sure where you get this; I've never heard that he combined evangelism with social work, and I have two biographies of Moody.

In reality, his power in the pulpit came straight from the fullness of the Holy Spirit. Read this article about Moody's experience by his co-worker, R. A. Torrey: http://www.wholesomewords.org/biography/biomoody6.html

I cannot remember where I came across that information. It was in a biography, I believe, but I've read several on Moody (I only own two and have no idea where they are). So I may have my evangelists mixed up.

What I remember (again, if my memory serves me correctly....batting 50/50 right now) early on Moody combined social work with evangelism to reach the lost. He was president of the Chicago YMCA for four years and used community outreach programs within the YMCA as evangelistic tools. If I recall, wasn't that how he ended up partnering with Ira Sankey? He used YMCA programs not only to witness to those he contacted but also to develop programs to distribute tracts and hold prayer meetings.

Moody concentrated heavily on social programs to assist the flood of immigrants in Chicago, even holding English classes to teach those who did not know the language. I may have the wrong person, but I believe that these were the works of Moody because, if I recall, after the Chicago fire he ended the social work aspect of his ministry and focused strictly on evangelism.

I hate referring to things without being able to provide a reference. I will try to find the book. I am fairly confident that it was Moody who combined social work and evangelism early on, mostly because that evangelist changed this after the Chicago fire,and Moody is the only one who comes to my mind when I think of great evangelists and the Chicago fire.

 

[Rob_BW]

I cannot remember where I came across that information. It was in a biography, I believe, but I've read several on Moody (I only own two and have no idea where they are). So I may have my evangelists mixed up.

What I remember (again, if my memory serves me correctly....batting 50/50 right now) early on Moody combined social work with evangelism to reach the lost. He was president of the Chicago YMCA for four years and used community outreach programs within the YMCA as evangelistic tools. If I recall, wasn't that how he ended up partnering with Ira Sankey? He used YMCA programs not only to witness to those he contacted but also to develop programs to distribute tracts and hold prayer meetings.

Moody concentrated heavily on social programs to assist the flood of immigrants in Chicago, even holding English classes to teach those who did not know the language. I may have the wrong person, but I believe that these were the works of Moody because, if I recall, after the Chicago fire he ended the social work aspect of his ministry and focused strictly on evangelism.

I hate referring to things without being able to provide a reference. I will try to find the book. I am fairly confident that it was Moody who combined social work and evangelism early on, mostly because that evangelist changed this after the Chicago fire,and Moody is the only one who comes to my mind when I think of great evangelists and the Chicago fire.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Hand_book_of_Chicago_s_Charities.html?id=iqgsAQAAMAAJ

Page 47 talks a little about Moody and consolidating charities.

 

[John of Japan]

I cannot remember where I came across that information. It was in a biography, I believe, but I've read several on Moody (I only own two and have no idea where they are). So I may have my evangelists mixed up.

What I remember (again, if my memory serves me correctly....batting 50/50 right now) early on Moody combined social work with evangelism to reach the lost. He was president of the Chicago YMCA for four years and used community outreach programs within the YMCA as evangelistic tools. If I recall, wasn't that how he ended up partnering with Ira Sankey? He used YMCA programs not only to witness to those he contacted but also to develop programs to distribute tracts and hold prayer meetings.

Moody concentrated heavily on social programs to assist the flood of immigrants in Chicago, even holding English classes to teach those who did not know the language. I may have the wrong person, but I believe that these were the works of Moody because, if I recall, after the Chicago fire he ended the social work aspect of his ministry and focused strictly on evangelism.

I hate referring to things without being able to provide a reference. I will try to find the book. I am fairly confident that it was Moody who combined social work and evangelism early on, mostly because that evangelist changed this after the Chicago fire,and Moody is the only one who comes to my mind when I think of great evangelists and the Chicago fire.

I'm sure he did charity work of various kinds; no doubt that includes after the Great Chicago Fire. What I doubt is that his charity work was a help to his work as an evangelist. As I've pointed out, he gave credit to his power in the pulpit to the filling of the Holy Spirit. That is the only way evangelism can succeed.

 

[JonC]

I'm sure he did charity work of various kinds; no doubt that includes after the Great Chicago Fire. What I doubt is that his charity work was a help to his work as an evangelist. As I've pointed out, he gave credit to his power in the pulpit to the filling of the Holy Spirit. That is the only way evangelism can succeed.

I agree.....but I don't think that we are talking about the same thing. I must have worded my initial statements poorly as I do not disagree that he gave credit to his power in the pulpit to the filling of the Holy Spirit.

Lila Halsey (the principal of the Northfield Bible Training School at the time of Moody’s death) wrote that Moody had designed the NBTS as a vocational school to train Christian workers. It “recognizes the truth that ministry to physical needs is often the wedge which opens the door for ministry to spiritual needs. Sewing, cooking, music and hygiene, therefore, have a prominent place in the course of study.”

The author also noted Moody’s emphasis on helping the poor children (“in particular little girls trapped in the rural poverty of northern New England”). (Lyle Dorsett, A passion for Souls)

This is what I am talking about, John. Not that Moody’s ministry was somehow not Spirit driven but that his ministry included not only the spiritual but the physical needs of people. The social aspect – YMCA programs, English classes for immigrants, teaching sewing and cooking to women...these form a part of Moody’s ministry. His evangelism was gospel and it was social. D.L. Moody was Spirit driven not just in the pulpit but in a way to impact the lives of those he encountered by meeting not only spiritual but also physical needs.

 

[John of Japan]

Okay, JonC. We're on the same page, then.

By the way, earlier this year our administration took us profs and staff members down to see MBI and Moody Bible Church. We met the current pastor, Dr. Erwin Lutzer, and he gave his church history book to our pres, who then allowed me to read it first since I teach Ch. Hist. Dr. Lutzer spoke to us and we learned he is an extremely funny pastor--had us all in stitches.

They have a very small museum at MBI about D. L. with a life size statue. I was interested to learn he had a condition in his hands that I also have that makes the fingers curl up--can't remember what it's called. The ligaments have a build up of some kind on them. Can't straighten several fingers. Moody had it much worse, though.

 

[evangelist6589]

Okay, JonC. We're on the same page, then.

By the way, earlier this year our administration took us profs and staff members down to see MBI and Moody Bible Church. We met the current pastor, Dr. Erwin Lutzer, and he gave his church history book to our pres, who then allowed me to read it first since I teach Ch. Hist. Dr. Lutzer spoke to us and we learned he is an extremely funny pastor--had us all in stitches.

They have a very small museum at MBI about D. L. with a life size statue. I was interested to learn he had a condition in his hands that I also have that makes the fingers curl up--can't remember what it's called. The ligaments have a build up of some kind on them. Can't straighten several fingers. Moody had it much worse, though.

What church history book? Is it a new book that has not yet hit the market? I like Lutzer and have many of his books. Although not Reformed still a great pastor.

 

[John of Japan]

What church history book? Is it a new book that has not yet hit the market? I like Lutzer and have many of his books. Although not Reformed still a great pastor.

Sorry, it is fairly new but I don't remember the title, gave it back to our Pres.; but it's about the Reformation. And actually, he is Reformed, and talks about it in the last chapter of the book.

Gotta go, folks. See ya'll Monday.

 

[evangelist6589]

Sorry, it is fairly new but I don't remember the title, gave it back to our Pres.; but it's about the Reformation. And actually, he is Reformed, and talks about it in the last chapter of the book.

Gotta go, folks. See ya'll Monday.

No he's not as he denies LS. One can't be Reformed and deny LS.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

I had lost my way, saddled with depression and self hate. What got me to return to church and change my life was a small tract left under my windshield wiper. It was passed out by a local church and that single sheet of paper reminded me of my purpose in life. I truly believe that it was placed there for just me.

 

[evangelist6589]

I had lost my way, saddled with depression and self hate. What got me to return to church and change my life was a small tract left under my windshield wiper. It was passed out by a local church and that single sheet of paper reminded me of my purpose in life. I truly believe that it was placed there for just me.

It's good to place tracts under windshield wipers as I do sometimes.

 

[ChrisTheSaved]

It's good to place tracts under windshield wipers as I do sometimes.

I was just trolling you. I doubt anyone has been saved this way. I was doing to you what you do to everyone on this board.

 

[evangelist6589]

I was just trolling you. I doubt anyone has been saved this way. I was doing to you what you do to everyone on this board.

Talking gremlins exist!