Do Aliens exist?

[BobRyan]

On the other hand - you have to admit that evolutionist Christians should have no problem at all with death/carnage/starvation working as "creation" on other planets and possibly motivating some of those intelligent beings to come over here looking for natural resources.

Its "the rest of Christianity" that should have a problem with those ideas.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[ZeroTX]

The Bible accounts for the creation of life on Earth. It doesn't suggest there is no life elsewhere.

I think it would be arrogant to assume that we are the only intelligent life in this big Universe.

For the most part, however, I don't think it's applicable to our own lives in service of God.

-Michael

 

[Marcia]

I wouldn't define angels as aliens; they are spirits. When people ask today about aliens, usually they are referring to intelligent life on other planets or in other galaxies. I do not believe such creatures exist.

I also don't think it's arrogant to assume we are the only intelligent life in the universe, because I think the vast universe reflects the vastness and greatness of God, and that's enough reason for it to exist.

When you look at a lot of the stories of aliens, you find beliefs contrary to God's word. I personally believe that most of the stories of alien encounters are hoaxes, that some are imagination/delusions, and the rest reflect demonic contact, especially the abduction ones.
Some of the stories of these encounters have parallels to the occult experiences I had before trusting Christ.

 

[Paul of Eugene]

Don't forget that our position is as a fallen race and there may be such a thing as an unfallen race out there. . .

 

[Ray Berrian]

Marcia,

You said, 'I wouldn't define angels as aliens; they are spirits. When people ask today
about aliens, usually they are referring to intelligent life on other planets or in
other galaxies.'

Ray is saying, 'God's angels do have more intelligence than we human people. We as the children of God have a higher standing now and future for us in eternity than angels, but for now we have very limited bodies that unfortunately for us, get older every day.' The angels of God are eternal beings just as our future is eternal. [John 3:16]

You said, 'I do not believe such creatures exist.'

Ray is saying, 'We generally speaking do not see angels because, as you said they are spirit {ual} beings sent from God to the earth who later return to God Almighty in Heaven. But there were many cases in the Old and New Testaments where they took on human form.

As to whether these alleged aliens are for real, I do not know. They are possibly good angels or perhaps from other galaxies. Only the Lord really knows about this phenomenon.

I believe in eternity we will have the opportunity to visit the various galaxies to see God's greater and far reaching creation, made as it were by His hands.

 

[Paul of Eugene]

Yes, all we can do now is speculate, then we will see it all for ourselves!

 

[Marcia]

Of course I believe in angels. But angels are not what most people are talking about when they say, "Do you believe in aliens?" They are talking about creatures living on other planets or in other galaxies, not the angels serving God or Satan.

I used to have a housemate who listened to the Space Brothers. These were supposedly aliens who were being channeled to give warnings to people on earth. Joe would listen and then come out and tell me that Colorado was the place to go (when disaster came) or that no, it was Canada we need to flee to. He believe these messages, as did many others. I think when these alien encounters happen, it is demonic. I knew a group of witches who told me that they had been communicating with aliens. Everything was fine for awhile, but then suddently, the "aliens" had said they wanted their bodies (the bodies of the members of this coven). Now the Pagans were really scared. The "aliens" would not leave. This went on for awhile. Finally, the members of this witch coven moved away. I am not sure what happened to them after that.

I have also read "alien" and UFO literature. Aliens are channeled, giving New Age messages to us on earth. The messages always put down the Bible and Christ as Savior. Always.

 

[Marcia]

The accounts of people who have been abducted (like the book "Communion") have messages that go against God. Also, the people involved in communicating these things are often also involved in the occult (as were the people I knew).

Until I see evidence of real aliens, I do not believe in them as such. But I believe the aliens so far are demons, if not part of a hoax.

The whole alien thing has also been a distraction for humanity. It gives them hope that is not hope in Christ, because they believe these aliens might be bringing peace or solutions to our problems.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally posted by Marcia:
Of course I believe in angels. But angels are not what most people are talking about when they say, "Do you believe in aliens?" They are talking about creatures living on other planets or in other galaxies, not the angels serving God or Satan.

I agree that people are not thinking of angels (good or bad) when they speak about "aliens" - in the same way other people are not talking about angels when they speak of ghosts.

Marcia said --
I used to have a housemate who listened to the Space Brothers. These were supposedly aliens who were being channeled to give warnings to people on earth. Joe would listen and then come out and tell me that Colorado was the place to go (when disaster came) or that no, it was Canada we need to flee to. He believe these messages, as did many others. I think when these alien encounters happen, it is demonic.

True enough. They think it is a non-Angel from another planet - when in fact it is a bad angel from our own planet (though not born/created here)

I have also read "alien" and UFO literature. Aliens are channeled, giving New Age messages to us on earth. The messages always put down the Bible and Christ as Savior. Always.

This is the real danger. Aside from opening a channel for demons - a platform for Satan to preach - it also presents a golden middleground for both atheist and believer to unite. When the alien shows up and tells a "different story about the universe" than the one we think is "Christian" the temptation is "to believe them" and to think of Christianity as a backward belief in Creationism. When in fact the "truth" is aliens, evolution throughout the univers, various cultures - space travel and no atonement.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[donnA]

Originally posted by Paul of Eugene:
Don't forget that our position is as a fallen race and there may be such a thing as an unfallen race out there. . .

The bible says there is none perfect but one, God. Unfallen would mean perfect, and the bible would be a lie.

 

[Mercury]

Originally posted by donnA:
The bible says there is none perfect but one, God. Unfallen would mean perfect, and the bible would be a lie.

Do you believe that all angels are fallen, then?

 

[BobRyan]

Lucifer fell and took 1/3 of the Angels - the rest remain "unfallen".

The "myriads" of Daniel 7 - "unfallen".

The four creatures in Rev 4 - "unfallen".

And the Bible tells us of no other races living on other planets that "have fallen".

We know from Job 1 and 2 that there likely "are" those that "represent" other worlds - but we have not been told that they are fallen, that they are among the saved or that they "need" to be saved.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[Mercury]

Agreed. If the passage saying that there are "none perfect but God" is referring to all life forms, and if "perfect" equals "without sin", then the unfallen angels we know about would seem to be a more concrete problem with that interpretation than unfallen aliens that may be out there somewhere.

As to whether there are aliens out there, either fallen or not... dunno. My faith wouldn't be shaken if there were, but I'd sure have a lot of questions.

 

[Major B]

As my hyper-redneck cousin Marlene said: "Theys aliens up thar, fer sure, I seed it in the Weekly World..."

 

[Paul of Eugene]

Originally posted by donnA:
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Don't forget that our position is as a fallen race and there may be such a thing as an unfallen race out there. . .

The bible says there is none perfect but one, God. Unfallen would mean perfect, and the bible would be a lie. </font>[/QUOTE]We all know that not every angel participated int the rebellion therefore there are some non-human sinless creatures out there of some sort. The only question would be, then, if they were physical enough to qualify as "aliens".

While I'm not sure which Bible verse you refer to in your assertion, surely you can't say you know it refers to all the universe instead of all the world in its reference. There wouldn't be any way to be sure of that interpretation until we get into eternity ourselves.

 

[GeneMBridges]

Originally posted by ZeroTX:
The Bible accounts for the creation of life on Earth. It doesn't suggest there is no life elsewhere.

I think it would be arrogant to assume that we are the only intelligent life in this big Universe.

For the most part, however, I don't think it's applicable to our own lives in service of God.

-Michael

I beg to differ with the first statement. That actually flies in the face of the concept of election.

We must remember that God works in patterns. Election is one such pattern that constantly shows up in the way He works.

The creation account suggests that life was created only on earth, any life that exists elsewhere is not the height of his creation.

The first day is the day of choice. When you read the account, it says that the earth was formless and void and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the deep / "the waters." Then God said, let there be light, and there was light and when the day ended, it was the first day.

Here is the first idea of election. God made a choice. He looked out over all of space and time and chose this particular space and that particular time to create life. Light is always synonymous with light in Scripture. Where light exists, life exists. Where there is darkness, there is no life, only death; (death = the absence of life).

There are many kinds of life that God created on earth. Only one kind is a living soul. Just as He created each animal and plant and fish and bird to reproduce after its own kind, so did God. Human kind is after God's kind. We are a "living spirit/soul." We are His offspring, as Paul says in Acts.

The entire creation account is giant picture of election working in a more and more specific fashion. God creates the universe, looks out over all of space/time and finds just one and only one place in which to create life. He creates our world, our sun and moon and the other planets. He places us in such a way that when we see the stars, we can actually read the plan of redemption in the heavens (If you look to the stars, you can see how the constellations tell the story of redemption). He creates an atmosphere, land, water, separates them, creates the lower lifeforms, and then mankind.

Then the rest of Genesis sets forth the pattern further. God accepts Abel and rejects Cain. Then, He accepts Seth's line and condemns Cain's, as one was faithful; the other evil. He chooses Noah and his family, condemns all others. Then comes the Flood. Noah's family repopulates the planet; to keep them from destroying themselves, he confuses their language and with it their way of thinking. Terah begins heading to Canaan, God then chooses Abram from whom to bring the nation of Israel. Abram messes up and has a son, Ishmael to ensure an heir. God rejects Ishmael, promises Isaac and tells Abram, now Abraham that Isaac is the heir of promise.

God does something similar in his rejection of Esau for Jacob. He then works out his plan and we see Him choosing King David. He promises David that His line will never end, and He then works everything out and Jesus comes forth as the Messiah. God then sets about electing some to be His children and passing others over in the same manner after His established pattern and continues to do so until this day.

Extraterrestrial life? Nope, and I'm sure of it. Why? Because God's Word reveals God's pattern in history, and extradterrestrial life does not fit the creation narrative or any other information regarding how He elects in general or specific situations and purposes. If the creation narrative did not read the way it does in the first day, I would say otherwise, but it says what it says and reads as it reads.

 

[WallDoctor]

I don't believe there can be other-planetary sentient aliens. All of creation fell in the curse for the sins of Adam. Christ died for the intellegent species man. The bible says that the fallen angels are not redeemed by Christs death. It says he died once and for all.

If there are Aliens out there, than they can not be without sin since all creation has fallen and Christ only dying once could not die for them since he only represents the human race from Adam. Therefore any Aliens out there are condemned to eternal punishment in Hell with no opportunity for repentence.


So I would say, God could have, and if he did, they are all condemned, so I'd rather believe he didn't.

 

[Mercury]

Originally posted by WallDoctor:
If there are Aliens out there, than they can not be without sin since all creation has fallen and Christ only dying once could not die for them since he only represents the human race from Adam.

That leads back to the same question. Do you believe angels are created beings, and thus part of creation? If so, how can there be angels that are not fallen if all creation has fallen?

I don't think your view accounts properly for the angels that we know about, so I wouldn't use it to extrapolate about aliens that we don't know about.

 

[BobRyan]

OBviously all creation in the universe did not fall with Adam. Only the World on which Adam lived - only the descendants of Adam (as intelligent free will beings) COULD be held at risk due to Adam's sin. Only "this creation" life on THIS world.

Lucifer - had already chosen to fall BEFORE Adam. (Hence - we see Lucifer tempting Eve).

The angels in heaven - mentioned in the Bible - are not fallen. Those of Rev 4 are not fallen.

The "Myriads and Myriads" of Daniel 7 -- "not fallen".

The "Holy Watchers" of Daniel 5 -- "not fallen".

The list goes on.

No other intelligent being "could" be considered "fallen" OTHER than the ones that CHOSE to sin -- Adam and Eve. Their descendants ALSO are fallen but ONLY because they are descendants of a fallen race.

Period.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[WallDoctor]

So do you believe there can be extraterrestrials that have not sinned then?? Who will enter into heaven without a redeemer??


Also, MAN is made in the Image of God. No other.

The bible clearly teaches that Angels who fell have no opportunity for repentence. Christ did not die for fallen angels.

It's only logical that Christ only died for mankind and only died once for sins.

Any other sentient race out there that falls into sin does not have the benefit that we do in Christ dying for the descendants of Adam.


For these line of logic, I don't believe in any other sentient life forms on our physical plane of existance. It would not break my faith if I was wrong.