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do any of You buy into 'little gods, positive confession?"
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Thomas Helwys
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Absolutely not.
I do not like the term "little gods"...
We do have the same Spirit as Christ..but not the same measure!
I will give two scriptures that I would like you to explain in light of what you stated in your OP...
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father." John 14:12
"..but wait for the promise of the Father, which saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." (Acts 1:4b-5)
But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of earth" (Acts 1:8)
That same Holy Spirit gives us the power to do what God says we can do. Not by our own strength/flesh....but by the Holy Spirit!
We do have the same Spirit as Christ..but not the same measure!
I will give two scriptures that I would like you to explain in light of what you stated in your OP...
"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father." John 14:12
"..but wait for the promise of the Father, which saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence." (Acts 1:4b-5)
But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of earth" (Acts 1:8)
That same Holy Spirit gives us the power to do what God says we can do. Not by our own strength/flesh....but by the Holy Spirit!
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
Are you talking about never sinning and not needing salvation? Or are you attacking 1John 2:3-6 as it speaks to born again saints? or is there some other context for that post?
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Now I fully realize that 1 John 2:3-6 may not be very popular - and probably is not read from the pulpit very often. But I think we need to give John a fair hearing before tossing him out the window. (If that is indeed the point you are driving at.)
On the upside - D.L. Moody, C.H. Spurgeon's Baptist Confession of 1689 etc appear to embrace 1John 2.
in Christ,
Bob
Asking if any saw themselves as being little gods, that they are also like "little jesus" walking around here, for hagin said that EVERY believer as as much an incarnation of God as jesus was, and Copeland said that jesus was born again, and Hinn that we are gods!
BobRyan
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Indeed - no little Messiahs.
Now what about asking if anyone reads 1John chapter 2?
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Now I fully realize that 1 John 2:3-6 may not be very popular - and probably is not read from the pulpit very often. But I think we need to give John a fair hearing before tossing him out the window. (If that is indeed the point you are driving at.)
On the upside - D.L. Moody, C.H. Spurgeon's Baptist Confession of 1689 etc appear to embrace 1John 2.
Now what about asking if anyone reads 1John chapter 2?
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Now I fully realize that 1 John 2:3-6 may not be very popular - and probably is not read from the pulpit very often. But I think we need to give John a fair hearing before tossing him out the window. (If that is indeed the point you are driving at.)
On the upside - D.L. Moody, C.H. Spurgeon's Baptist Confession of 1689 etc appear to embrace 1John 2.
John wrote the letter to refute the gnostic thought creeping into churches that since soul was saved, God cares less on what you do!
the Christian saved by grace new naturewill be to please and serve god, but MUSt do that as paul said, in the person and power of the HS!
Its the professing to have salvation, but have no life changed by grace of God being addressed!
point here is that John/peter/paul/ja,es would all agree with, that a saved person ouht to klive like he is now redeemed, but NOT as to keeping the Sabbath, rules, festivals etc, but as to striving to live obedient to the ways of god, thru and in the holy spirit!
God NEVER judges one for sat/Sun day of worship, but will judge one who does not honor him!
we are under the new covenant, so you can live by the letter of the law if you so choice, but I will continue to live as jesus and paul stated, in the grave and freedom the Cross bought us!
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Wherever You Go
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I think you lost me there. On a couple of points.Wherever You Go
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Now this confuses me too. Does anyone read I John chapter 2? Of course I read it! It's part of the Bible. There is no part of the Bible that I "don't read."
Do I embrace the passage? Of course I do. It's part of God's Holy Word. Why wouldn't I?
But do I believe it means what you believe it means? Maybe, maybe not.
I think I can shoot straight when I say that any of us on here who call ourselves Baptists and claim to be born again "read" the entire Bible, believe the entire Bible to be true, and at least claim to embrace the entire Bible. Where the problem comes is that we don't all agree what various parts of the Bible mean.
So instead of asking if we believe the passage, let's ask if we believe that the passage means a certain thing or not.
:thumbsup:
Alive in Christ
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The only time I ever heard "positive confession" and/or "little gods" is from the exceedingly heretical "Word of faithers".
Its pure spiritual poisin
Its pure spiritual poisin
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Aaaahhhh...you are just an unbeliever and have no faith.:laugh:
Thomas Helwys
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If I was a follower of the false prophet (profit) Kenneth Copeland, I might believe it, but I am not, and I don't.
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by BobRyan
Indeed - no little Messiahs.
Now what about asking if anyone reads 1John chapter 2?
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Now I fully realize that 1 John 2:3-6 may not be very popular - and probably is not read from the pulpit very often. But I think we need to give John a fair hearing before tossing him out the window. (If that is indeed the point you are driving at.)
On the upside - D.L. Moody, C.H. Spurgeon's Baptist Confession of 1689 etc appear to embrace 1John 2.
My ending statement - On the upside - D.L. Moody, C.H. Spurgeon's affirmation of the Baptist Confession of faith of 1689 etc appear to embrace 1John 2 -- was meant to show what I mean.
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Baptist Confession of Fath 1689
19. The Law of God
1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.
2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the ten commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.
3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.
4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.
5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.
6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.
7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.[FONT="]
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Wherever You Go
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Ok, I think I understand all that, and I also think that generally speaking, that is what I believe too, and what most regenerate people I know also believe. So I don't see what you think is so controversial about it.
Tom Butler
New Member
When I raise somebody from the dead, then I'll give some more thought to whether I'm a "little god" or not.
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
That is just it - I don't think the statements I just posted are controverted at all by the Bible or those Baptist sources I quoted.
in Christ,
Bob
Wherever You Go
New Member
Then who was opposing the viewpoint? I thought you made it sound kind of like this was something that not many people on here believed.
Sorry if I misunderstood.
Sorry if I misunderstood.
saturneptune
New Member
Why yes, my sin is more than made up for the fact I go to church on Saturdays, raise the dead once a week, faith heal individuals, fortell the future, both receive and interpret jumbled messages from heaven, and perform various other magic acts.
So I guess the question of the day is, "if one does positive confession on Sunday, is it really confession at all?"