Do arminians live in constant sin in regards to witnessing?

Only in your distorted view of Scripture. Isn't that how you made your entrance into this forum by spouting some such nonsense as that? It was a false belief then and it's still a false belief now. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm just going to start labelling these types of post "mumbo jumbo" which means, "doesn't deal with the argument, scripture or any thing of importance but seeks to degrade others or divert the argument."

MUMBO JUMBO!

 

Only in your distorted view of Scripture. Isn't that how you made your entrance into this forum by spouting some such nonsense as that? It was a false belief then and it's still a false belief now. </font>[/QUOTE]Ever notice how these guys who's theology is supposed to major on Grace and not very Gracious themselves?

Jacob.

 

Jacob, I haven't seen you here before, welcome

Yes, I've notice that. But I will say that for some reason the written word always comes across less gracious than maybe what is intended, so I try not to take anything too seriously. However, I do think we as believers should try to season our words with love. That's difficult sometimes, but I do think most of us say what we do in jest and brotherly love eventhough we disagree. I love ol' Ken but he can frustrate me at times by dragging the discussion away from the text and the issues with what I'm now calling "MUMBO JUMBO."

Glad to have you here!

 

I read almost every post but don't post myself much as I'm still sorting through this issue and haven't developed a firm stance yet.

Thanks.

Jacob.

 

MUMBO JUMBO!

Is this voo-doo?

Bro. Dallas

 

You're not very convincing!

 

You're not very convincing! </font>[/QUOTE]Amen Preach the Word

Bro. Dallas

 

To state once again the moderating principles, The only thing edited for is demeanor and personal attacks. If you feel that someone is misrepresenting your position, then answer them. Do not come whining to me about it. If you follow here, you know good and well that I have never edited someone for their misrepresentation. I have simply pointed it and answered it.

You guys who don't like PTW's question, give a convincing answer. The moderator is not the answer to your own inability to give an answer, if indeed you fail to.

 

Ray: Can I have a copy of your book? Please allow me to ask you a question. Why did you emphasize the prayer(sinners prayer) in the back of the book? Did that trucker get saved by reciting that prayer? Don't misunderstand me here,I just want to know exactly what that trucker put his faith in.Christ or the prayer? you know,the one that he followed you in phrase by phrase, and then he asked you to write that prayer down for him?

 

Maybe the Holy Spirit actually knows what He's doing.

 

I hope someone else adopts the same practice for your posts. I'd volunteer, but I don't have time to post MUMBO JUMBO to everything you say.

 

Interesting, the non-calvinists have evaded the core of the question.

If any person by their own will can choose to be saved then are we guilty if we don't present the gospel to every lost person we meet? If so, then aren't we guilty as well when we don't make maximum opportunities to share the gospel?

As an extension, who is guilty for the multiple millions that have died in their sins without ever hearing the gospel?

 

Bill, what should we call it arguments are dealt with and disagreed with, yet you strive on in denial? Your pattern shows that you think if calvinists could somehow be made to see how right you are, they would convert to arminianism in a flash.

It is nice to see that others are able to see how full of holes your "only Jews are elect" nonsense is.

 

I hope someone else adopts the same practice for your posts. I'd volunteer, but I don't have time to post MUMBO JUMBO to everything you say. </font>[/QUOTE]This from the inventor of MUMBO JUMBO! The alli baba of blab. The prince of puns. The duke of downgrade. The king of crud. The man who when faced with arguments he can't answer labels them as "from the pit." Or he goes into hiding until the argument goes away.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome to the discussion the MUMBO JUMBO MAN himself, Nicholas Petreley!

 

The fact that you think that I believe that only the Jews are "elect" proves you have still yet to even understand my position. -sigh-

I don't know how to be any clearer with you Scott.

I'm beginning to realize that if someone doesn't want to understand and deal with someone's arguments it doesn't matter how hard you try you can't make them.

I challenge you to point me to any post that askes me how I view a particular passage that I didn't address. I strive to understand every passage, even the difficult ones, within my understanding of the text. Granted you all don't agree with my translations but a least I give an answer instead of ignoring the argument and scripture all together. Sometimes you guys do address my arguments but its when I press you on an inconsistancy or I press you to go further that you revert to "MUMBO JUMBO" or just disappear. That's frustrating. You may disagree with me, but at least I'm consistant and will stick around to defend my view and answer questions.

 

npetreley,

That's a 10-4. Surely the Holy Spirit always knows what He is doing. I have to learn better to sense His impressions on and in my life.

 

Brother Ray said:

Frogman: Wait, always rely on the impression of the Spirit and there will be no need of this self-prodding. The opportunity, the witness, all shall be worked through His leadership and will be so constructed that all the pieces will line up and the only one necessary to lead anyone in a "sinner's prayer" (which is the only prayer that any besides Christ can ever pray), will be the Holy Spirit and by this there will be a Godly sorrow worked in the heart of the repented and this work of regeneration will be secured in the witness of the Holy Spirit in that individual, thus the power of God unto salvation will be known and there will be no room for the doubt to be scattered and nothing for it to feed upon.

Bro. Ray said:

Frogman said:
When witnessing under the leadership of the Holy Spirit, this is not an issue, if offense does come you are assured this is because of the flesh of the individual and not because of your own failure. Then the offense is left to be between that person and God. Don't let people try to put you on a guilt trip to displace the conviction they feel by the Holy Spirit through which you or I should be witnessing.

Brother Ray said:

Frogman said:

Do not 'attempt' to be used of God, only be prepared to be used and you shall be amazed at the workings of the Holy Spirit.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

Brutus,

I am responding to your inquery about why did I emphasis the sinner's prayer in the back of the book. Our heart felt belief and theology dictates the fact that in order to be saved one has to receive Christ. I suggested that the youth first review this prayer and if he were so moved to offer it to God in prayer, as his personal prayer. We really do believe that if a person accepts Christ knowing that He died on the Cross for him, that he will experience salvation and forgiveness of sins. This is the beginning of a 'new birth' into the Kingdom of God. The prayer goes like this. {If you don't really know Jesus in an intimate way, say this brief prayer. 'Lord Jesus forgive all of my sins, make me totally new inside and help me to live for you daily.' Amen.

As far as the trucker is concerned I shared with Him why Christ died on the Cross for sinners. After that I asked him if he wanted to be/get saved. After he responded yes, I asked him if he would like to follow me in a prayer, asking the Lord to take away his sins. He knew what he was doing and followed me in a phrase by phrase prayer. Your suggested prayer probably would have been as good or better than mine. After confession is made to God all we can do is believe in the sincerity of the person and if he or she is sincere the Lord always does the work of regeneration.

My sense is that he was impressed that a simple prayer could actually put him in touch with the living and true God. Having sensed a new and inner peace in his heart, he wanted me to write down that prayer for him. I told him I would do my best but could not give it back to him exactly 100% the way it was offered. I told him to join a good Bible believing church that teaches that Jesus can change a person's life and make him totally new inside. Moreover, I got his address and told him I would send him a copy of my book, which would, in simple words, help him to understand more of the Gospel.

I know there are many ways to minister evangelism, but this was my personal way. I think in Bible college I used to us the Roman Way or the Roman Road.

Sometimes I feel badly knowing as much as I do, not to witness more to my faith in Him. Sometimes our Lord has to, as I said before, prod me into speaking on His behalf. You may not agree with my methods but then I am not responsible to other human agents of the Lord. Apparently, we will all, individually be responsible to Him as His ambassadors. [II Cor. 5:20]

I don't have your address at this point so I cannot send you a copy.

Respectfully,

Ray

 

Your kidding right?

You present your weak case. It is denied. You say to yourself "Oh, they must not understand- no informed rational person would disagree with me."

You re-state your case.

It remains unconvincing. You say to yourself "Oh, they must be a little hard headed since no one who disagrees with me is really considering these arguments that convinced me."

You re-phrase your opinion.

And on and on...

Bill climb down off that pedestal. Someone disagreeing with you does not automatically mean that you have not been understood. It frequently means that others have looked at what you believe and said "no, you're wrong."

And how do you reconcile the fact that so many apparently rational, intelligent people disagree with you. They must not "want to understand." If agreeing with you means reading between the lines of scripture as I believe you do then "no thanks" I don't "want to understand" that particular practice.