Do Calvinists Affirm Free Will then?

[Van]

That passage does NOT state what you want it to, so try another passage!

Yet another denial of the obvious. Anytime scripture proves Calvinism is bogus, the Calvinists claim the verse does not mean what it says. Pathetic.

 

[Van]

Calling something a strawman argument is not a subject change. It is showing that you are misleading people by claiming we stated something we did not.

Claiming the argument is invalid and not on point is a subject change. Calvinism falsely claims the lost never at any time seek God or seek God effectively yet Jesus says many seek the narrow gate and some, a few find it. Thus they do seek God and seek God effectively. Therefore Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

 

[Van]

Is looking for the way to life equivalent to seeking God?

Does 2 + 2 = 4? Formulating questions based on feigned ignorance demonstrates deception.

 

[Van]

Van, have you considered we say that because if you in fact do know our position you don't present it as if you know our position?

Calvinist all say the same absurd things, like taint so and Van is rotten for saying so. To be fair I have encountered at least two Calvinists with integrity, they did not agree with me, but they did not intentionally misrepresent my views to score worthless points.

 

[Van]

In that passage, where do we find "and some found God"? Please quote this for us.
It's clear you cannot.
Why were people not able to enter the gate? What does the text say?
Let the text speak for itself.
And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God. And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

~ Luke 13:23-30

Again and again this Calvinist posts passages that prove Calvinism is bogus.

 

[Van]

What does the text say? I will sit back and let the text speak.

Romans 3:10-18

As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

The text says Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill. Jesus says many seek God in that they seek the narrow gate that leads to life. All the Calvinist can do is made pathetic arguments like seeking eternal life is not seeking God. Complete rubbish.

 

[Reformed1689]

Calvinist all say the same absurd things, like taint so and Van is rotten for saying so. To be fair I have encountered at least two Calvinists with integrity, they did not agree with me, but they did not intentionally misrepresent my views to score worthless points.

I have not intentionally misrepresented you.

 

[AustinC]

Again and again this Calvinist posts passages that prove Calvinism is bogus.

 

[Reformed1689]

Does 2 + 2 = 4? Formulating questions based on feigned ignorance demonstrates deception.

No it is not. If I am seeking a way to get out of hell, does that necessitate that I am seeking after God almighty to do so? That is a legitimate question. The answer is an obvious no, it does not necessitate that. It just means I am seeking an escape from Hell.

 

[Reformed1689]

Calvinism falsely claims the lost never at any time seek God or seek God effectively yet Jesus says many seek the narrow gate and some, a few find it.

Except here is the problem. That is not the reformed position.

 

[AustinC]

I have not intentionally misrepresented you.

Agreed.
Van doesn't discuss the text. He just blames calvin.

 

[Salty]

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