I am sorry that you have had such a bad experience with your church. Don't judge all IFB churches by the one that you are in. There are a wide variety of them. Some follow a man more than they follow Christ. It becomes more like a dictatorship, rather than congregational government. Not all churches are like that.Originally posted by john6:63:
I am still technically an IFB, still on the role; still attending Sunday school, and every service thereof.
Most IFB churches will point out error, even error of other false religions or cults. It is a Biblical mandate for them to do so. Wrong doctrine, even heresy, such as purgatory, the sacrifice of the mass, praying to the dead, indulgences, confession to a priest, all the doctrines associated with Mariolatry, such as the assumption of Mary, etc. These are all heretical man-made doctrines totally unproveable by the Bible. It is impossible for one to know what the Bible teaches, and know what the Caholic Church teaches and be saved at the same time.My IFB upbringing did more that prepare me to withstand, as you say, “myths and fables of Catholicism.” Trust me, you should see my collection of books. My IFB upbringing also prepared me how to recognize cults, and NO IFB church I had ever been a member of referred to Catholics as being cultic, unlike your religious preference, the Seventh Day Adventist, which were lumped together with the JWs and Mormons all being cults.
The simple reason is this. What does it mean to be born again? Jesus said "You must be born again."
In fact he said, "Except a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of God." This is one of the most important doctrines of the Bible, dealing directly with one's salvation.
The evangelical will correctly interpret this as trusting Christ as one Saviour (John 1:12,13, 1Pet.1:24). But the Catholics are adamnant in their belief that to be born again means to be baptized. The two beliefs are opposed to each other. The Bible teaches that it is impossible to get to heaven through baptism. For by grace are you saved through faith, not baptism. Thus a Catholic who believes that baptism saves him cannot be saved. A Catholic who believes that to be born again is to be baptized cannot be saved. Yet, that is Catholic theology. How can a Catholic be saved believing this? They can't.
--I wouldn't go so far as to say that; and I do recognize that there are some historical innacuracies in the Trail of Blood. What I do believe is that there are churches in every age from the Apostles onward that believe as Baptists today believe, though not called Baptist. God has preserved in every age a people for his own. He has never left himself without a witness. And that witness is not the murderous Catholic Church which has been constantly persecuting evangelical Christians.My IFB upbringing taught me that the Baptist Church was the Church established by Christ. The book Trail of blood was my Baptist history book.
Perhaps an extreme statement the way it is stated. Basically there are two Bibles. Ones that are translated from the Critical Text, and ones that are translated from the Textus Receptus or Recieved Text. No translation (including the KJV0 is inspired and infallible). God has preserved his Word in the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts. I personally believe that he has preserved His Word in the Received Text that underlies the KJV (and NKJV). It is preserved in the Greek, not the English, so that other translations may be made as well. No translation can be more accurate than the language that it was taken from.My IFB upbringing taught me that God preserved the KJV and all other versions were counterfeit.
So, who put that idea in your head? When Jesus spoke consistently all through the chapter in metaphors, why would it make sense for him to suddenly change? That is not good hermeneutics as I have pointed out to you, and smacks of predudicial Roman Catholicism. You seem to have been listening to something or someone that has been influencing you that way. There is no reason to take that passage that way.One morning on a cold Indiana winter day this past January, sitting in my car waiting for a training class to begin, I was reading the Gospel of John for the umpteenth time in my life and there John 6 hit me like a ton of bricks. I read John 6 three times. What was so different this time? I had always thought John 6 to be metaphoric, but as I was reading John 6 and reading the reactions of the Jews and Jesus’ disciples, I could no longer attribute John 6 to mere metaphoric. It scared me to death! I went home and asked my wife to read John 6 and we discussed it through tears. I called my associate Pastor, desperately seeking an explanation, I called friends of mine in previous bible study classes, looking, searching. I prayed, fasted and finally I just had to accept it, John 6, was more than just metaphoric.
Check Acts 17:11. Have you just been sitting in a pew absorbing everything your pastor is teaching you like a mindless sponge. Don't you study the Word for yourself, "to see whether these things are so," as the Bereans did. Paul commanded Timothy, as he does us:Were do I go now? What else have I been taught in my IFB upbringing that is wrong or in error?
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If your pastor or church has taught you other errors, than you should have caught them already, by your own study of the Word.
Be objective then. Find the above Catholic doctrines that I mentioned to you in the Bible. Prove Catholicism from the Bible. I have an outstanding challenge to my Catholic parents.I have never been to a Catholic Mass and never spoken with a Catholic Priest, but I have made a point to objectively study the Catholic Church and her doctrines, no longer am I going to be judgmental and read one-sided material. I blast the Liberal media for doing that and here I was doing the exact same thing!
Show me from the Bible that Catholicism is Biblical, and I will be a Catholic, but if I can show you what I believe is from the Bible, will you be saved and come to our church.
They have never taken up that challenge yet.
The reason--Catholicism, with all its man-made doctrines cannot be demonstrated from the Bible. It is a man-made religion. I know. I was there for 20 years, and never heard the gospel preached once.
That of course is more personal than anything else. Getting alone with God, spending time in His Word, and in prayer are key to your relationship with Christ. Make sure that you are born again, saved by grace through faith, and not by works (Eph.2:8,9). The Catholic Church will teach you the opposite.Right now my goal is to improve my relationship with Christ, that my relationship with Christ can be more intimate.
Then make sure that you are in a good Bible believing church, not necessarily a KJVO church, but rather an IFB church that is more moderate toward the KJV. A church that faithfully preaches the Word of God, not one that is based on a man, but rather the Word of God, and centered and focused on Christ. Go to a friendly church where you can be involved.
Not every church is like that. That is what I am trying to say. For example in our church, I preach what is called expository preaching. In the morning I have been going through 2Corinthians, and in the evening 1Peter. I don't "situation preach." In other words, verse by verse, or passage by passage, I preach whatever is there. That way the sheep are being fed. One Sunday the text may fall on a passage where the text speaks about the woman's role in the church, and so I must speak on it even if I want to stay away from it. Check 1Pet.3. The following passage speaks about the husbands duty to his wife. In the next verses they speak of compassion, love, and suffering. Whatever is there, that is what I preach. That way the sheep are fed. And that is the command that Jesus gave Peter: Feed my sheep.I am getting board of the fire and brimstone preaching, week in and week out. I am 34 years old and all I want to do now is glorify and praise God in worship!
Like I said, every church is different. Don't judge them all by your experience with one.
The Catholic Church does not emphasize a personal relationship with Christ; it emphasizes liturgy. If you are not being fed by the church you are going to find another one, but not another false religion.And if being a Catholic will get me to that level of intimacy, then the Lord will lead me to her. In the mean time I am waiting patiently on the Lord and He’s hearing my cry and I am slowly emerging from the grip the IFB church has had on me over the years.
DHK