The Catholics have Guarding Angels sent to protect and watch over people my question is, do they exist in scripture( I know angels exist like Michael & Gabriel but assigning to individuals at birth?!?
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Do Guarding Angels exist?
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KenH
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Hebrews 1:13-14
But to which of the angels said he at any time,
Sit on my right hand,
Until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
What this ministering entails, I do not know.
But to which of the angels said he at any time,
Sit on my right hand,
Until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
What this ministering entails, I do not know.
GentleGospeller
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Catholicism stretches a Biblical truth to suit their angel-veneration (worship).
Yes, the idea of guardian 'angels' for an individual / peoples exists in scripture. However, while angels are sent to minister to mankind in general, that they might accept the Gospel, a "guarding" angel is granted upon the reception of faith in Christ Jesus, to minister to the newly 'born again'.
Psa_34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
As for instance. Jesus is the "example" (1 Pet. 2:21) for mankind, and had such protection:
Psa_91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
Luk_4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
Mat_4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Mar_1:13 And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him.
Luk_22:43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
Jesus' guardian 'angel's were Gabriel and 'Herald' (Luk. 1:26, 24:4; Act. 1:10). Jesus had access to nothing we do not also have.
Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
See also other examples, such as Exo. 23:20 (the Son of God, as Messenger for the Father, guarding His peoples, His body); Dan. 6:22; Psa. 34:7; Heb. 1:14. They are to "minister" to God's peoples, that have called upon the name of the LORD Jesus.
2Ki 6:16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
2Ki 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
2Ch 32:7 Be strong and courageous, be not afraid nor dismayed for the king of Assyria, nor for all the multitude that is with him: for there be more with us than with him:
2Ch 32:8 With him is an arm of flesh; but with us is the LORD our God to help us, and to fight our battles. And the people rested themselves upon the words of Hezekiah king of Judah.
Dan_6:22 My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
Psa 34:6 This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.
Psa 34:7 The angel of the LORD encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them.
Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Psa 103:21 Bless ye the LORD, all ye his hosts; ye ministers of his, that do his pleasure.
Psa 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
Mat_26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
Heb_1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Some people have had interventions from before their birth, such as Samson.
As for Michael (not to detract from OP), as a side note, see - Michael The Archangel Who Is Like Unto God The Highest Messenger (BOOK) : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
For most Protestants angels are something just written on a page, not a lived reality. In fact much of the spiritual reality is hidden from them because of their mindset.
Earthly opinions and interpretations of scripture produce earthly results, they don’t produce the supernatural spiritual perception.
Angels are not lived experience in Protestant practices but they are massive in Catholic Spirituality and I have encountered them many times in street ministry and when I was in dire situations.
Angels are real and God sent them to serve us, Catholics actually use them as our servants every day.
Protestants have zero relationship with angels, and do not use them.
This might cause some cognitive dissonance but try reconcile the so called “ Catholic worship of angels “ to Catholics using Angels as their servants.
Worship would be Catholics serving angels, but it’s the opposite, Catholics view and use the Angels as our servants.
Cultivate a relationship with the Angels, they are real and they are sent to serve us. Use them.
This is a strange idea to you, because false teachers have estranged you to true Christian doctrine and understanding of these beautiful, powerful spiritual friends God sent to serve us.
It’s all a big blank how this beings fit in your life if at all. In fact anything supernatural is automatically regarded with suspicion as diabolical, strange and unusual.
For Catholics the supernatural is a common daily reality.
This is a strange idea to you, because false teachers have estranged you to true Christian doctrine and understanding of these beautiful, powerful spiritual friends God sent to serve us.
It’s all a big blank how this beings fit in your life if at all. In fact anything supernatural is automatically regarded with suspicion as diabolical, strange and unusual.
For Catholics the supernatural is a common daily reality.
When Angels manifest themselves openly, they serve a particular task and then they leave, they don’t hang around. This has been my experience.
Their help is not extraordinary it’s now common, yet it is supernatural.
Angels will not be part of your life and spirituality if you don’t make them part of your life and spirituality, same with God.
Their help is not extraordinary it’s now common, yet it is supernatural.
Angels will not be part of your life and spirituality if you don’t make them part of your life and spirituality, same with God.
Many angels are sent to test the Love of men.
Hospitality and care of others is the test, Love, most fail, even among believers.
If you believe, yet do not Love, you amount to nothing. The Angels of The Lord test this.
Angels can look and smell like the street but woe if you turn them away.
If not receive them by Love, receive them imperfectly by fear.
Most believers have little love, this is the terrifying thing. Many think that they are saved no matter what, the most beautiful lie.
Hospitality and care of others is the test, Love, most fail, even among believers.
If you believe, yet do not Love, you amount to nothing. The Angels of The Lord test this.
Angels can look and smell like the street but woe if you turn them away.
If not receive them by Love, receive them imperfectly by fear.
Most believers have little love, this is the terrifying thing. Many think that they are saved no matter what, the most beautiful lie.
To answer the question, yes guardian angels exist. And not just for Catholics.
Adam failed to guard the garden and from then on Angel guardians were set in place.
The fallen world is so bad that no man could or would live without the guardian Angels.
All human life would have ceased without the Angel guardians.
Ben1445
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We certainly do recognize angels as a reality. But certainly we don’t assume responsibility of their actions, nor do we assume that they inhabit the homes in our neighborhoods.
Angels, spoken of in Scripture are messengers. Messengers may be heavenly beings as in the case of Zechariah and Mary.
They may be earthly messengers as Paul described himself.
Galatians 4:14
And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.
I’m aware that that is open to interpretation and is hardly definitive proof.
But consider also Revelation Chapters two and three. Why would Jesus have John take dictation of a letter to a heavenly angel? Why is the activity or lack thereof a concern for a heavenly being instead of the church? It makes no sense as such.
John the Baptist is described with the same word as angel, translated messenger. That doesn’t make him not a person. And that doesn’t mean that if you have more errands that you can fit in the day that you can send John the Baptist out as your servant.
Your opinions and interpretations are not something that you can say you received in hand from heaven. This is an extremely subjective statement and by my interpretation of your own statement, you fall short of spiritual perception.
What’s the name of your angel? Do you get different ones every day?
I’m happy to have a relationship with the Father instead.
We’ve been through this before.
I much prefer that God the Father, Who knows what I really need, give His angels charge to keep me, rather than assuming that I know what I need and telling God’s messenger what I want him to do.
Ben1445
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I don’t think that we need angels from heaven to simulate a test for believers. There are plenty of non angels who actually need help instead of angels pretending to need help.
There is also no Scriptural basis for your claim here either.
Ascetic X
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We’ve been through all this recently.
Nothing in the New Testament says we are to cultivate a relationship with the angels.
Catholics are not satisfied with direct access to the Father through the Son. They think they need to command angels and use Mary and dead saints to intercede for them
Armchair Apologist
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My wife had "Open Heart" surgery a few years ago and had a wild ongoing dream about "Fighting the Chinese with Jackie Chan!"
My thoughts about it were that it was very much a fight for her and that it was her guardian angel (who happens to bear a strong resemblance to Jackie Chan
) who encouraged her to stay strong and remain in the fight! She was on the operating table for about ten hours and I was a complete mess the whole time! God is faithful.
My thoughts about it were that it was very much a fight for her and that it was her guardian angel (who happens to bear a strong resemblance to Jackie Chan
) who encouraged her to stay strong and remain in the fight! She was on the operating table for about ten hours and I was a complete mess the whole time! God is faithful.Angels are not your lived reality, angels are something still on the page for you.
Reading about them and experiencing them are two different things.
Catholics have a relationship with these servants that God sent to us.
They are servant spirits, that were created to serve, sent to us as heirs to serve us.
Believe the scripture.
John was writing to the Bishops referring to them as Angels, Polycarp was one of those Bishops in Smyrna.
Polycarp was the Bishop of Smyrna at the time, and Polycarp was a disciple of John before being appointed bishop of Smyrna.
Bishops were often called angels as simply the messenger sense of the meaning, but apostolic messengers.
What I am talking about is what is referred to as the “ Angels “ who are the purely spiritual beings.
This is supernatural subject matter.
The greatest skeptics of the supernatural I have encountered aren’t atheists, they are Protestants.
The first time I experienced this with Protestants I was perplexed, but it demonstrated the stark difference in understanding and mindset between lived supernatural Christianity and legalism on the page desupernaturalised Christianity of human founded Protestantism.
There are more things under heaven and earth than are even dreamt of in your interpretations of scripture.
What you think you need and what is, are very different things.
The Dunning Kruger effect is at full play in Protestantism, each man reads the scriptures and he is an instant expert in his own eyes, as if no one else has read the scriptures. He won’t be told different, only his reading of scripture is true.
Add ego to this sad state of affairs and you have the perfect immovable bear trap. His immovability he counts as virtue and fidelity, not what it truly is, obstinacy and stubborn pride.
There are many life long librarians tucked away in their reading, yet have never experienced anything outside the walls of their libraries.
The supernatural realities are not merely to be read about on the page as if for another time and place but experienced and lived out.
Who understands the realities of war best, the returned veteran who lived it or the librarian who just read about it.
And what of the one who both read about and lived and experienced it.
Armchair Apologist
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The arrogance of some Catholics never ceases to amaze me! Do you really think that Protestants beleive that there is no other truth aside from the scriptures? I find nothing in the scriptures explaining how to do open heart surgery yet we acknowledge certain "Truth" that makes such an operation possible and successful. All truth is God's truth, simple as that!
There are many other things that Christ did during his ministry that not all of the books of the world could contain - nor could the Vatican library!
Dunning Kruger is nothing more than "I know you are but what am I? Nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo" nonsense!" How about we act like adults and stay away from such petty nonsense?
Protestants do not read the scriptures and make them say whatever they want contrary to what some Catholics desperately want to believe! If you would take time to read the numerous historic confessions, you will find we actually agree far more than disagree! Now, how did this happen if we all just read the Bible for ourselves?
If you want to talk about the "Restorationists" then you may have a point but please realize that restorationists ARE NOT Protestants!
More ad hominem and who is it that has the ego?
Like many of the Monastics during the Medeival Church and continue to exist in monasteries today? Who is it that cannot live in the "Real World?" Of course there are Protestants who are cloistered in their own "Christian" world but I am not trying to "Broad-brush" either group here!
Catholics tend to over-mystify things and this is a simple fact. Baptists tend to go the opposite end of the extreme and I will concede this. The title of this thread is "Do Guardian Angels Exist?" I absolutely believe that they do and there are many things going on in spiritual world of which we are not aware and quite frankly, I DO NOT WANT to be aware! I am quite content to let my guardian angels fight whatever demonic forces that are trying to knock me off course and steal my joy but I would rather they just (please) remain invisible!
I was being somewhat light-hearted in the post I made about my wife but I am certain that for her, the battle was quite real and by God's grace and with the help of her guardian angel (who bears a striking resemblance to Jackie Chan) she has prevailed and is going quite strong these days! I can barely keep up with her!Who are you talking to here? seriously?
Christians are in-dwelt by the HS
Isnt He greater than any angels?
Isnt He greater than any angels?
This may be true of some Protestants, but I seriously doubt it is with most.
We cannot use this board as a gage (many Protestants on this board are legalists who accept but do not fully believe in spiritual realities).
Most Protestants do refrain from angel worship and praying to angels. And obviously most reject the superstition that there are angels for specific occupations.