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Do Mormon Martyrs go to Heaven?

church mouse guy

church mouse guy

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Steven Yeadon said:
Roman Catholics are decidedly not Christian.

1. They claim to be the Mother Church that all other churches derive any legitimacy from at all because we ride their coattails to them.
2. They are not against saying that the eternity of Protestants will be painful because they are so in error. (remember they believe in purgatory)
3. All of those I have talked to downright hate baptist beliefs and think we are terrible sinners doomed to some sort of terrible judgment after death
4. They violate clear teachings of the bible that identify themselves as false Christians They violate so much I'll just refernce you to this website, even just picking out the bible verses and ignoring the analysis shows that Roman Catholic clergy are false teachers (21 Important Bible Verses About The Catholic Church)

Really #4 alone on such a consistent basis is all I need to say. They teach a Jesus of the Church. This Jesus is not the Jesus of the bible to nearly anyone who would disagree with Roman Catholic clergy.
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This issue of Catholicism is a red herring because you said that this thread was about Mormon "martyrs" but you cannot name any of such Mormons or give specific examples of what you are talking about. Nothing personal, but I think that you took Mormonism at their word that Joe Smith was a martyr because they are trying to make you look away from his record of theft (his bank in Kirkland, OH), his time in prison in MO, and his gunfight in Carthage, IL after being arrested for sexual perversion in violation of marriage law against polygamy as well as his violation of Mosaic Law concerning marriage to sisters and to mother-daughters and his arrest for destroying the printing press of the newspaper that published the details of his depravity. This thread gives too much respect to Mormonism. Even Sherlock Holmes has a story about Mormon criminality in Utah--A Study in Scarlet.

A Study in Scarlet by Arthur Conan Doyle
 
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church mouse guy said:
This issue of Catholicism is a red herring because you said that this thread was about Mormon "martyrs" but you cannot name any of such Mormons or give specific examples of what you are talking about. Nothing personal, but I think that you took Mormonism at their word that Joe Smith was a martyr because they are trying to make you look away from his record of theft (his bank in Kirkland, OH), his time in prison in MO, and his gunfight in Carthage, IL after being arrested for sexual perversion in violation of marriage law against polygamy as well as his violation of Mosaic Law concerning marriage to sisters and to mother-daughters and his arrest for destroying the printing press of the newspaper that published the details of his depravity. This thread gives too much respect to Mormonism. Even Sherlock Holmes has a story about Mormon criminality in Utah--A Study in Scarlet.
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I have quoted my first post and I have bolded the relevant parts to this discussion.

Steven Yeadon said:
I ask this question because I myself cannot make up my mind on it, yet this is a vital question to my current accepted beliefs about living for Jesus.

Really, I am asking if anyone who is a false teacher or accepts false teaching goes to heaven when they die? Another key question, is do you go to heaven if you died a martyr for a different Gospel to the biblical one?

This rule could also be applied to Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Seventh Day Adventists among other people who are loosely "Christian" and die for their faith.
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Yes, I did draw a direct parallel to a number of false religions claiming to be Christians on top of Mormonism.

The real point of this thread is whether false teachers and their false flocks go to heaven. I stated that in the first post.

I have interacted with many Mormons and Roman Catholics and Seventh Day Adventists and I can attest that to me false teachers just seem like false teachers. I am in no way trying to exalt the founders of the Mormon religion, but was just trying to create a thread title that I thought would include the most obvious example of all false Christian religions.
 
church mouse guy

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You forgot to give a specific example of a Mormon martyr when you wrote this thread, and, in truth, there probably is not one because Mormons like to persecute Christians since the 19th century. I just hope that you did not take Mormon propaganda at face value.
 
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church mouse guy said:
You forgot to give a specific example of a Mormon martyr when you wrote this thread, and, in truth, there probably is not one because Mormons like to persecute Christians since the 19th century. I just hope that you did not take Mormon propaganda at face value.
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Having met so many Mormons, I must say that I have been distorted a little when I started this thread. I view Mormonism's founders as a bunch of criminal lunatics, and modern Mormonism is very cult-like. However, that is obviously still too nice when your solid examples are given of why Mormonism's founders are wretched. Really I thank you for correcting my view point with cold hard facts about the wicked leaders of Mormonism.
 
Katarina Von Bora

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Steven Yeadon said:
I ask this question because I myself cannot make up my mind on it, yet this is a vital question to my current accepted beliefs about living for Jesus.

Really, I am asking if anyone who is a false teacher or accepts false teaching goes to heaven when they die? Another key question, is do you go to heaven if you died a martyr for a different Gospel to the biblical one?

This rule could also be applied to Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Seventh Day Adventists among other people who are loosely "Christian" and die for their faith.
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Mormons are polytheists. Look up the word 'Kolob'.

Nevertheless, name-calling is not productive.

Just for fun.

 
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Mormon martyrs: Joseph Smith Jr., founder of LDS and Brother Hyrum died in a shootout at a jail in Carthage, Illinois. They were reportedly incarcerated for treason. A lot of the details depend on whose account you read. For sure, they became martyrs for the 15 million Mormons on the planet today.

Whether or not they went to heaven where Jesus the Christ has His blood before the altar, we do not know. God knows them that are His. Joseph Smith Jr. is either a true prophet or a false prophet. If true, we should all be Mormon. If false, there are millions of deceived souls who follow him.

Interesting: there are actually two groups of Mormons which came from Joseph Smith: The Brigham Young group (LDS) in Salt Lake City and the group which decended from Joseph Smith Jr's family which is in Independence, Missouri. This group is known as: Community of Christ. They recently sold a printer's copy of the Book of Mormon to the Salt Lake City group for $35M. This is more assets for Deseret??

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James
 
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carpro said:
I don't believe any Mormon goes to heaven.
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They can and well only if they reject that Joseph Smith determines if they can get in!There is only ONE mediator between God and man, and ole Joseph was not it!
 
church mouse guy

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I think that there are more than two splinter groups of Mormons. Mormons try to claim Joe Smith as a martyr but he was convicted of digging holes in New York State for buried treasure and then leaving open pits. In Kirkland, Ohio, he started a bank which took dollars and issued script. Needless to say, Joe spent the dollars and left town when the people with script asked for their money back. In Missouri, Joe did time in jail and the Mormons agreed to leave Missouri--hence some of the splinter groups left behind. In Illinois, Joe had a printing press and a newspaper office tore up when it printed news about the almost 40 wives that Joe had, including a couple of sets of sisters and a couple of sets of mother-daughters, both of which are forbidden by Leviticus. Some of the wives were wives of other men--often Joe would send a guy on a mission far away and then start sleeping with the guy's wife. Joe had a gun in jail in Carthage and if he had had enough ammo, he would have shot his way to freedom. Joe is about as much a martyr as O.J.
 
evangelist6589

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Steven Yeadon said:
I ask this question because I myself cannot make up my mind on it, yet this is a vital question to my current accepted beliefs about living for Jesus.

Really, I am asking if anyone who is a false teacher or accepts false teaching goes to heaven when they die? Another key question, is do you go to heaven if you died a martyr for a different Gospel to the biblical one?

This rule could also be applied to Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, Orthodox, and Seventh Day Adventists among other people who are loosely "Christian" and die for their faith.
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I cant believe this thread has had as many posts as it does.
 
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Bro. James

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Church membership and salvation are mutually exclusive, contrary to the Council of Trent. This sort of negates the concept of universal church. One could be baptized in every religion in the world and still be bound for hell in spite of a fortune in indulgences and fortune cookies. Jesus paid it all.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James
 
The Biblicist

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No one can go to heaven who rejects the true God (Jn. 17:3) at the supposed time of their conversion. True, one may not hold to any view of the true nature of God or be ignorant of the precise nature of God at conversion and must be taught. However, if at the time of conversion they hold to a perverted view of God and continue in that perverted view, they were not saved and they cannot be saved as long as they retain that perverted view as that is idolatry. Mormons believe in "As man is God was and as God is man shall become." Like Hindu's they believe in many gods.

Moreover, no one can go to heaven without understanding the basic truths of the gospel which is the basis for true repentance and faith. The truth is not found in using correct Biblical terms but in defining those terms according to Biblical meaning. True, God can save a person in any denomination by faith in the simple gospel truth because that simple truth is revealed to them by the Spirit in the act of salvation. However, if at their conversion there is no revelation of the simple truth of the gospel and there is no change from their perverted view of the gospel, then they were not saved and cannot be saved.
 
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