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"Do no interpretations belong to God?" Premillennialism, Postmillennialism, & Praeterism positions.

Jope

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I've tried to hold your hand and feed you The Bible God Wrote against your will,
While i disagree with your claim that i am a simpleton, and need to be forcefully fed the word of God against my will, as if Im not a Christian and dont read the scriptures myself, im going to say that your statement sounds tyrannical and against international human rights laws.
What was that about me being criminally insane?
 

timtofly

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The nations are the earthly population, during the "thousand years",
which the Devil is not able to deceive.
That is the only reference to anyone on Earth, in Revelation 20:1-6.
Those beheaded are the only nations. No one was left alive when Satan was bound. You don't even think those on white horses nor Jesus ever made it to the earth.

The only being in Revelation 20 mentioned as in heaven was the angel who came down to the earth, and then that angel was on the earth binding Satan in the pit. No one was in heaven after that point. The thrones were on the earth. Those souls were resurrected to physical life on the earth. Jesus was reigning on the earth. The nations not deceived for a thousand years were those beheaded souls. No one else was alive on the earth when Satan was bound. That camp of the saints produced dozens of generations, which spread across the earth for a thousand years. That is the only context in that text.


Your explanations come from different times and different situations, and forced into the text of Revelation 20. Even pre-mill get it wrong stating people continued living across the earth. The only viable people on the earth were those beheaded souls who lived again and received the first resurrection. None of them were said to have the second birth allowing them into heaven. That is a another presumption on your part. They were not like the angels in heaven, because they would populate and fill the earth, in the context of Revelation 20.

At this point all the church was in heaven having the second birth. But only those on the earth were the beheaded, who were given life, the first resurrection, and physically would populate the earth for a thousand years, while Jesus reigned from Jerusalem. They were physically with Christ, as their spiritual condition was never addressed in context of the text of Revelation 20. Even the rest of the dead never had their physical nor spiritual condition restored until the thousand years were over. The only reason why there would be a camp of the saints, on the earth, would be those beheaded and no one else in the context of the text of Revelation 20.

Now going outside of the text to other chapters in Revelation would help clear up some things, as well as other points in the chapter. But you claim the chapter is literally saying something totally different, only in your imagined interpretation, not even staying true to the text. Once that angel leaves heaven, nothing in that chapter is about heaven, period.
 

timtofly

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20:4b,c; "the souls of them that were beheaded...
and which had not worshipped the beast,"


who were saved and had died and passed on into Heaven,

20:6c; "...they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall Reign with Him a thousand years."
You do realize that Satan cannot be both bound and in a pit for the same thousand years as is claimed these people were not worshipping him, while others were?

Satan being bound in a pit was to prevent such worship and deception.

Nor has the mark been handed out during your last undefined millennium, which has been about 2,000 years so far.

The whole reason they were beheaded was to avoid the mark. You all seem to want to leave out the mark part of the verse:

"had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;"

Once they were beheaded it was physically impossible to receive the mark. If they had received the mark and then were beheaded, it would not apply. They would just be dead, and would not qualify for a resurrection.

The only context in all of Scripture this can relate to is the short period of time after the 7th Trumpet had already sounded. It can not relate to any period on earth in the prior 6,000 years of human history. No one prior to the 7th Trumpet event, fit the description of worshiping an image and receiving a mark in direct context to that image.

It is not logical to allege that Satan is bound out of sight in the pit, during the same period, such worship and image is ongoing with a mark, that Satan convinces all on earth to receive. In fact neither phenomenon have been ongoing for the last 2 millennia.
 
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