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Good post, and maintains truth about the Nature of God, but of course a "determinist" will have to reject it because it doesn't fit his boxed system, and if he has nothing to rationally respond to he'll probably just dismiss it by accusing of you making MAN God. Don't have time to get into this but wanted to pass by with the :thumbs:.

 

:thumbs: Seems if you cannot package just right it is then defaulted to a string of pejoratives. They irony is they create even more tensions and "mystery" by implementing their system in the place of the clear understanding of the text.

 

The "street lingo" used to discribe the context of your commentary, I believe is

dissed

past participle, past tense of dis
Verb:
Act or speak in a disrespectful way toward another.

 

Why not explain that "clear understanding of the text" for us right now so that we can all see how it works out.

 

I would certainly hope so. There seems to be a trend to undermine the attributes of God, these things seem to be popular, and for the sake of unity, some have been seen to accept the views of Pinnock, when they should be rejected.

Roger Olsen thinks this is something that shouldn't be taken too seriously, and he is a noted Arminian. This should be an interesting read:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2010/08/why-open-theism-doesnt-even-matter-very-much/

 

Not sure about the first statement, but I do like the second.

 

I knew before I had children that they would sin, but that does not mean I condone any sin they commit.

Jesus said sin is necessary. It "must needs be"

Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

God wants people who love him and choose him. To do this he must enable us to have free will. That free will that enables us to truly love and choose him necessitates that a person also be able to choose against God and hate him. It cannot be avoided, "it must needs be".

Programmed robots cannot love, only creatures with true free will can love. Free will always entails risk, to be able to obey and love, a person must also be able to rebel and hate.

 

Mark already did (with Scripture) and you just dismissed it while implying he is an open theist. Can you repent without changing your mind or intended actions?

 

Thank you for the clearly biased and confusing commentary :thumbs:

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

The god he described is beholden unto man......waiting and hoping that man responds...so then he can do something. he does not know what will happen...because evidently he has not purposed anything to actually happen....he kind of wishes ...and hopes it works out;
then he describes the god who somehow, draws everyman to jesus even those who have not heard of Him.....and he is not wiiling that any perish,and yet they do...so his will does not get done. he is a frustrated deity...unlike the biblical God who plans and purposes exactly who He will save,and then actually saves THEM...in Covenant grace and mercy.


THIS GOD;
11He shall see of the travail of his soul,
: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


No hand wringing....no frustration, no "repenting".....He changes not.

 

If only Mark had even hinted any of that convoluted mess....

 

Didn't need to, as the Apsotle John had it written and explained to us also!

 

Not the apostle, the one on this thread. Follow along

 

But, with all due respect, even if that point is conceded it in no way equates the Calvinistic problem with the Arminian problem, as you argue. It is called the "You Too Fallacy" when one attempts to divert attention onto a similar, but not equal, problem of the opposition without providing any response to their own problem.

 

So, you are conscious of what you are doing... :thumbs:

And, actually the problems are the same. Just that the solutions to them approach from opposite vantage points.

 

This is one of the best posts I have ever read of yours. There is so much about God we will never know(like seeing through a glass darkly), in our finite minds. Whatever happens, we can trust Him to protect us. People bite their nails worrying about the economy. I don't. I have my trust firmly planted in Him, and He will provide for me......

Oh, how sweet it is to proclaim I am I AM'S lock, stock, and barrell!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

Your view is exactly the same as the Jews had. They had expected the promised Christ to be this powerful king and military leader who would crush all of Israel's enemies. They could not perceive of Christ as this lowly carpenter.

Mat 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them

Jesus did not come as this powerful military leader but a lowly carpenter, therefore the Jews were offended. He did not meet their expectations. And we see because of their unbelief that Jesus's power was limited, he could not perform mighty works among these unbelievers.

Calvinists must see God as this powerful being who's will cannot be frustrated, but the scriptures clearly show it was.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jesus here is absolutely describing frustration at the Jews and said how he longed to bring their children unto himself but they refused and would not.

So, like the Jews, you start with a false presumption and therefore misinterpret scripture. God does not force people to obey him. God's power was limited by people's unbelief. And God's will on earth was not always done and he was frustrated.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Jesus said only those who do the will of his Father shall enter the kingdom of heaven, therefore his will is not always performed.