Do Not Judge?

[th1bill]

Matthew 7:1-6

Many times I have been jumped over what is perceived as false Judgment. First, let me say that You cannot take the words of Jesus out of their context and for this reason it is sad that the Bible has been made easy to use for the people of today. In the original transcripts there are no chapters and no verses and as a result, the scriptures read as they were written. Numbering has not only made use easier, it has also led to extreem heresy.

Before my forty-fifth birthday, Matt. 7:1 was my favorite verse and the only verse from the Bible I could quote... I was an Atheist. I used this verse to shut the average Christians mouth... often! The problem is that this verse is only placed into it's proper context when it is aligned with every other sentence of the scriptures from "In the beginning" through the very last "Amen" of chapter 22 in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus, the Christ. For those few that understood what I just said without having to reread it, yes, all of the Bible, we know today, is the Word of Jesus. (John 1:1-3)

So it is that this verse, on a localized scale, is, sorely, out of context because it is part of the flow of the Sermon on the Mount. Let's, for the comfort of most, draw the context a good bit clearer. Let's use the paraqgraph of the first six verses for this lesson. Within the context of all that Jesus has taught from His human birth, Jesus is teaching us to walk the walk!

Jesus, much to most folks seated on the pews Sunday Morning, did not abolish the Mosaic Law. (Matt. 5:17,18) Nor did Jesus ever teach His children not to judge righteously. No, He instructed us to judge men by their fruits. (Matt. 5:15-18) And on a personal level, from practicle experiance, I can assure you that the man that does not judge is a fool! These are the men Jesus refers to in other passages as being easily led astray.

Almost every time I have had this false charge poked at me by some junior pharasee it has been because they took my comment out of context, just as the New Wave, New Testament or New Covenent Christian does all of the Bible. Folks, it is, imho, time for things to conclude with the Rapture of the Church and it's way past time to lern the basics!

 

[Salty]

Bill,

If we are not to judge, then we would have religious reasons to never server on a jury!
We should never judge our children
Teachers should never judge children
Pastors should never judge any prospective member
We should never judge any door to door salesman.........

Bill I agree with you - I also have had many quote that portion of scripture (out of context)

 

[freeatlast]

Matthew 7:1-6

Many times I have been jumped over what is perceived as false Judgment. First, let me say that You cannot take the words of Jesus out of their context and for this reason it is sad that the Bible has been made easy to use for the people of today. In the original transcripts there are no chapters and no verses and as a result, the scriptures read as they were written. Numbering has not only made use easier, it has also led to extreem heresy.

Before my forty-fifth birthday, Matt. 7:1 was my favorite verse and the only verse from the Bible I could quote... I was an Atheist. I used this verse to shut the average Christians mouth... often! The problem is that this verse is only placed into it's proper context when it is aligned with every other sentence of the scriptures from "In the beginning" through the very last "Amen" of chapter 22 in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus, the Christ. For those few that understood what I just said without having to reread it, yes, all of the Bible, we know today, is the Word of Jesus. (John 1:1-3)

So it is that this verse, on a localized scale, is, sorely, out of context because it is part of the flow of the Sermon on the Mount. Let's, for the comfort of most, draw the context a good bit clearer. Let's use the paraqgraph of the first six verses for this lesson. Within the context of all that Jesus has taught from His human birth, Jesus is teaching us to walk the walk!

Jesus, much to most folks seated on the pews Sunday Morning, did not abolish the Mosaic Law. (Matt. 5:17,18) Nor did Jesus ever teach His children not to judge righteously. No, He instructed us to judge men by their fruits. (Matt. 5:15-18) And on a personal level, from practicle experiance, I can assure you that the man that does not judge is a fool! These are the men Jesus refers to in other passages as being easily led astray.

Almost every time I have had this false charge poked at me by some junior pharasee it has been because they took my comment out of context, just as the New Wave, New Testament or New Covenent Christian does all of the Bible. Folks, it is, imho, time for things to conclude with the Rapture of the Church and it's way past time to lern the basics!

Great post Bill! Not only is that phrase "Judge not less you be judged" a favorite of the lost world it has become a favorite of many in the church who seek to shut out the truth. :tear:

 

[th1bill]

Great post Bill! Not only is that phrase "Judge not less you be judged" a favorite of the lost world it has become a favorite of many in the church who seek to shut out the truth. :tear:

Good morning gentlemen and thank you for reading the rants of an old man.

 

[saturneptune]

Great post Bill! Not only is that phrase "Judge not less you be judged" a favorite of the lost world it has become a favorite of many in the church who seek to shut out the truth. :tear:

You two should set up your own LLC. Let's see, what could we call it. How about "The Truth of the Scripture Stops Here."

 

[saturneptune]

Matthew 7:1-6

Many times I have been jumped over what is perceived as false Judgment. First, let me say that You cannot take the words of Jesus out of their context and for this reason it is sad that the Bible has been made easy to use for the people of today. In the original transcripts there are no chapters and no verses and as a result, the scriptures read as they were written. Numbering has not only made use easier, it has also led to extreem heresy.

Before my forty-fifth birthday, Matt. 7:1 was my favorite verse and the only verse from the Bible I could quote... I was an Atheist. I used this verse to shut the average Christians mouth... often! The problem is that this verse is only placed into it's proper context when it is aligned with every other sentence of the scriptures from "In the beginning" through the very last "Amen" of chapter 22 in the Book of the Revelation of Jesus, the Christ. For those few that understood what I just said without having to reread it, yes, all of the Bible, we know today, is the Word of Jesus. (John 1:1-3)
So it is that this verse, on a localized scale, is, sorely, out of context because it is part of the flow of the Sermon on the Mount. Let's, for the comfort of most, draw the context a good bit clearer. Let's use the paraqgraph of the first six verses for this lesson. Within the context of all that Jesus has taught from His human birth, Jesus is teaching us to walk the walk!

Jesus, much to most folks seated on the pews Sunday Morning, did not abolish the Mosaic Law. (Matt. 5:17,18) Nor did Jesus ever teach His children not to judge righteously. No, He instructed us to judge men by their fruits. (Matt. 5:15-18) And on a personal level, from practicle experiance, I can assure you that the man that does not judge is a fool! These are the men Jesus refers to in other passages as being easily led astray.

Almost every time I have had this false charge poked at me by some junior pharasee it has been because they took my comment out of context, just as the New Wave, New Testament or New Covenent Christian does all of the Bible. Folks, it is, imho, time for things to conclude with the Rapture of the Church and it's way past time to lern the basics!

A politician never gets to the point of the question, especially when it is his own question. You say "judge not lest ...." is always taken out of context. You mention lots of other verses, but never tell us how judge not lest ye be judged is out of context, and what it means within context. Please enlighten us. I am always wanting to learn from those who have special knowledge of Scripture.

I have seen this all my life. Creating a problem or situation that is not there. Most people I have heard interpret the verse mean be sure your life is in line with the Lord enough before you judge, or be careful how you judge, as the same standard will be used on you. I can not think of one instance that the verse was used in the context you are suggesting. You are implying people use it as a free ticket to sin. I have yet to see that, while you claim it is rampant. We live in two different worlds that is for sure. Another thing, you do not have to create strawmen to start a thread. There is plenty of good material.

 

[annsni]

I always tell people to tell me what verse 5 says. Then I explain how Scripture is not written in verse format and so we need to make sure we read before and ahead to understand the context. It's like if I told my children "You may not have that cake," it doesn't mean that they can never have that cake especially when you hear the rest of my discussion. "That cake is for our company and after dinner, we will all have a piece of cake." Does that still mean that my children can't have cake? No. Not in the context of what I said.

If we're to listen to the Scriptures, we can clearly see in many passages that we ARE to judge - but judge rightly. Matthew 18 and 1 Corinthians 5 are just two examples.

 

[th1bill]

A politician never gets to the point of the question, especially when it is his own question. You say "judge not lest ...." is always taken out of context. You mention lots of other verses, but never tell us how judge not lest ye be judged is out of context, and what it means within context. Please enlighten us. I am always wanting to learn from those who have special knowledge of Scripture.

I have seen this all my life. Creating a problem or situation that is not there. Most people I have heard interpret the verse mean be sure your life is in line with the Lord enough before you judge, or be careful how you judge, as the same standard will be used on you. I can not think of one instance that the verse was used in the context you are suggesting. You are implying please use it as a free ticket to sin. I have yet to see that, while you claim it is rampant. We live in two different worlds that is for sure. Another thing, you do not have to create strawmen to start a thread. There is plenty of good material.

The good folks here have no context for your remarks! My comments are the truth of scripture, not my personal interpretation, I do not interpret! I study and I teach. I will reveal that you have threatened me privately so do you want to tell everyone why?

Thank you annsni for your explaination.

 

[agedman]

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There is a difference between corporate judge and individual fault finding.

Paul shows that the church politic can and should judge the members that do not follow the scriptures. A person who is a heretic or one that doesn't follow the Scriptures is are is to be put out and to be shunned.

Paul also shows that, when individuals "who are spiritual" find "a fault" in a believer, they are to go to that person and make attempts to restore that person.

The believer never has the right to say to anyone, "Go to L" for that judgement is left to God - alone.

The believer does have the right to say, "____ is saying ____ about the Scriptures and teaching _____. It is unscriptural because _____."

The believer does have the right to say, "Friend, if you die without Christ, you will spend eternity in punishment."

 

[Alcott]

If "judging" means to say something like, "Hey, bud, you're wrong," no one can ever cite this verse to point out someone is judging, and thus breaking it-- without judging.