Do people which commit suicide automatically go to hell?

Catholic? no, not at all. Baptist through and through. Do you not believe that self-centeredness is pride? Do you not believe that pride is one of the deadly sins? Read Proverbs 6:16 - 19. Pride is in the list of that which is abominable to God. And His word says that all that are abominable will have their part in that lake of fire

 

xdx,

I answered your OP with the Word of God. It seems that you have a problem with that.

I just read the OP again, and the title of the thread. I have not steered anyone wrong in what I said.

I see in your OP you did not say 'If a Christian commits suicide, will he or she go to hell,' but rather you used people in general.

I answered from the Word of God. If I am called ignorant and arrogant, all I can say is not one of my posts is about me, ithey are based on the Word of God.

Depression? Do you not think that I should be depressed when I was confined to a wheelchair? Do you think I should be depressed since I cannot see like you or others who are able to drive vehicles? Do you think I am depressed because I have severe blood pressure drops unexpectedly that cause me to pass out without warning? I should be with all these ailments, right?

But wait, there is more. Maybe I should be depressed because I am unable to get gainful employment and thus not take care of my wife financially? Or because I cannot afford a good home like many others? The list of my woes could go on and on.

But, instead, I would rather glory in my infirmities and my poverty. God is in control. Guess what, when one looks to the problems one has instead of the problem solver, Jesus Christ, God is not in control. That one is sending a message to God that says, 'I know my needs better than you, God. I know what to do. Leave me alone.'

That, my friend, is pride.

 

When one kills himself or herself, he or she is sending a message to God, 'It's my life and I can do what I want with it. Leave me alone God because you don't know what is best for me.'

That is pride. One of the abominable sins.

Revelation 21:8 clearly states the abominable will go to the lake of fire.

To say not all suicides will go to hell is denying Rev. 21:8

 

Standing, you made a statement: I have not given proof that a Christian will go to hell, you are correct, because the Christian will not go to hell. You are RIGHT! A Christian can not be cast out John6:37, plucked out John 10:28, or fall out Jude vs.24. In Rom.8, Paul said NOTHING can separate us from the Love of God, who no one can comprehend, Eph.3:19, Job 11:8. As Christians we are positionally seated in Heaven with Christ Eph.1:20-21, 2:6. Then you make another statement. A Christian can not kill themselves. Here you are WRONG. I ask you why not? Brother, a Christian is a sinner saved by Grace. Although we are saved and secure we still have an old nature. That old nature in us is capable of committing any sin that we did before we got saved.

Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
Eph 4:25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
Eph 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with [his] hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Does God say there will never be any more lying, anger, sin, currupt communication, bitterness, wrath, evil speaking....
NO NO NO, God is telling us to PUT AWAY these things and not to grieve the Holy Spirit.
To say a Christian CAN'T sin is not Scripturial.
You also said you are a BAPTIST and in the same breath rebuked me for calling a cultist stupid. Brother what is Scriptural about the ungodly preverted doctrine of no hell, no security and sin being paid for by satan. That's satanic teaching and should not be on a Baptist board! The devil is using people like that to confuse people and send them to hell. If you are a Baptist you have no right to commend any SDA, JW Morman or any other cult. nuff said, shiloh

 

Shiloh, read my above post. Suicides are killing themselves, not because of relying on God, but because of their own pride. Pride is an abomination and nothing abominable will enter God's Kingdom whether you want to believe it or not.

It is God's Holy Word that declares this, not of Satan.

 

shiloh,

you just dont know when to stop do ya

Prov:26:27: Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.

the boomerang effect... it happens... if you keep on being mean-spirited to people sooner or later it will come back to you in some way or another


by the way did you read your own post by any chance? this part of it specifically...


Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

Standing, GOOD, now that you reduced the sin down to pride, lets look at, Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

If a person that takes their own life in your prospective goes to hell because they according to you are not really saved, now you say a proud person is likewise going to hell, what about these other sins.
According to you a Christian can't kill themselves, because that's pride so now what are you going to do with a person running to mischief, a false witness and on and on and on. You have to say according to your theory that a Christian can't sin! Maybe you think one sin is bigger then other sins?

 

Funny, Claudia believes Jesus Christ and His atoning blood was enough to save her. You do too. You must agree with a SDA doctrine.

 

They believe in the deity of Jesus Christ. You do too. Are you sure you are not SDA?

 

Shiloh, since God's Word says that the abominable will have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, I believe by the authority of God's Holy Word that that any who are living in any abominable sin will indeed be cast into that lake if they die in that sin.... whether they call themselves Christian or not.

 

Standing, do you know what a cult is? One who desecrates the doctrine of Christ. My blessed Lord said in John 19:30 "It is FINISHED" He didn't have to wait until the devil finished anything. To say the SDA doctrine is right is real close to blaspheming God. THE DEVIL HAS/HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MY SALVATION!!!!

I am not going to respond any more in this "any" section. You can fool around with false witnesses if you want to I'm out of here.:wavey:

 

You really are way off base there... but anyway, bye and good luck :wavey:

 

So you're using a pagan king who oppressed Israel ("trying out" several women to choose his queen, and all other sorts of wickedness) to illustrate God and prop up your whole argument? (Like you just went and fished for another prooftext, and this one is worse than all the others) No wonder you believe the way you do. This type of tearing of passages and phrases out of their contexts is presisely the problem here!

May I ask, what exact "problem" has God "solved" in your case? I ask, not to say that God doesn't solve problems, but that people flippantly say things like this to the sufferers, and even dole out proof-texts to this effect, but what exactly are you saying? Has anyone truly studied to see what the "problems" and "needs" really adrressed in the Bible really are, or are they plugging in what seems to fit? Especially when it is turned into a judgment to hell for supposedly "rejecting Christ" for someone who has not taken your positive attitude towards their pain and goes on and commits a sin they cannot undo.
Are you going to claim God's "solution" is some so-called "happiness" or "joy" (the usual formulaic answer). Well, that will not mean much to anyone, because you can claim anything, and we cannot see into your heart. So you could be miserable and on the verge of suicide yourself, and we would never know it. Yet because you have not done it, you can judge someone else, and then claim God "solved" all your problems (even though they remain), and someone else is full of pride and probably lost if they don't have the same attitude. And you have not seemed to be the most happy or joyful person around here. Your whole modus-operandi has been a typical "old-line" fundamentalist who is harshly critical of everything the modern Church does (music, etc). I may have come off just as critical (in defense). But then I also do not throw out this nebulous "happiness" platitude to the suffering and judge them by it.
Many people preach this stuff, and juge people struggling with pain or sin as "carnal", etc. but when you read their books, tapes, etc. (they are SELLING), they even admit that God does NOT just "wipe away all pain" and make you "content" when you just "pray" or "trust", or whatever; but rather it is a "daily struggle". LaHaye calls it "like pushing a boulder uphill for the rest of your life" right after suggesting that all fear or anger are just "sins" one should simply "throw away", like it is that easy. So you all are judging people for not making some easy "decision" to "just trust" Christ, but then, it is really a whole "process" that is not that easy at all. But then the whole basis for your harsh judgments fall, then. How dare you look down on someone who has not made all the "good decisions" you have? And that is assuming you really are in the good place you try to put forth to us.

I already explained Paul's "thorn in the flesh". We take those passages and tell people they must be happy about their pain, or they are full of pride (like we claim we are "happy"). But that takes these passages out of context, where the early Christians suffered specifically for Christ. I was also thinking of responding to Claudia's new "Others may, you may not" thread, because I too read that tract years ago, and where it at one point gave me some sort of comfort, when I read it again, I saw that it was assuming that every bad thing that happens to us, or does not go the way we want is God "doing" it for some unknown reason. But that is not what those passages say. So to judge sufferers of just any mundane problems on this, and accuse them of rejecting Christ, or saying He is not "in control", is stepping way beyond scriptural boundaries. This then has God as the cause of all sin and problems in the world (like someone injuring you, birth defects etc), and becomes almost like an extension of Calvinism beyond the issue of salvation to daily life. Like in that issue, we appeal to "sovereignty" and speculate on why God is doing something "unpleasant to our fallen minds", and tell people "it is above our comprehension", when we have already gone beyond scripture into the unknown. That is not how we are told to comfort one another! Show some compassion, if a person is so down on life that they consider resorting to suicide; rather then boasting of your "good attitude", and how basically you are saved unlike them because you don't commit a "deadly sin".
(As I say on my page dealing with our cold, trite formulaic responses to suffering: http://members.aol.com/etb700/abundant.html But here, "faith", which was the vehicle through which we trust God for salvation, is taken and applied to something it never was directly intended for. —"Trusting God" now becomes a philosophy of positive attitudes in life with some unknown "good" being what we trust Him for)

Again, pain is assumed to be "what is best". But that is not what God's word says, so you cannot say the person is "saying" any such thing! Likewise, "I know my needs better than you"; but what are "needs"? Another word tossed around.

Again, in order to ask what problem God solves, we have to ask what man's main problem (or "needs") is in the first place? The main problem is not a "bad attitude" towards pain (which needs some "joy" you don't even really feel but only "believe by faith" to cure it). You would think that it was, they way people seem to believe this one fault alone has the power to nullify salvation! Man's problem was his lost condition, and God "solved" that by sending Jesus to save those who believe on Him by faith in His substitutionary work. THAT brings the "joy" that one is freed from the curse of the Law. No scripture says this makes all other kinds of "pain" not matter, though some do teach putting it into eternal perspective. You basically revoke this by turning it into "faith that He will make your pain not matter, and you will have 'joy' regardless" whereby he he is condemned by the Law regardless of his faith in Christ [for salvation], and thus he can NOT "Trust Christ" to save him unless he gets the "real" "faith" right!

Again, this is not to condone suicide, but our entire orientation in confronting this as well as all suffering in general is way off. (It is easy to say, makes us feel like we have given a final biblical answer, and even sells teaching books, though!) It is attitudes like this from Christians (who are shaefully taken on a reputation of being very cold and unsympathetic) that be be the final straw that will push a person over to something like suicide. If all God's only word to a suffering person is that his pain is "the best" for him, and if he doesn't like it, he is full of pride, and abominable and going to hell, then what's the use?

 

Who said the Christian life is easy? I have read every one of sfiC's posts and all I see is exhortation and admonition to adhere to Christ and His Word.

sfiC has not said sfiC is sinless. He affirmed, as God's Word also states, that those who die in abominable sins will not inherit the kingdom, but will instead end up in the lake of fire.

Like it or not, it is the Gospel Truth straight out of the word of God. Suicides think of no one else but themselves. That is pride as has been said.

Now, if God allowed suicides into heaven, then He may as well allow drunkards as well, or fornicators, or any other defiling spirit that can be found in this world we live in today.

 

Your definition does nothing but give a license to sin. Make a profession of faith, and live any way you wish... lie, cheat, steal, murder others or self, you're saved... don't worry about it.

That is a lie straight from the pit of hell. Man, once he comes to a saving knowledge of Christ cannot just live as man pleases. And as sfiC pointed out, if that man can live like he pleases and still think he is guaranteed entrance into heaven, he is deceiving himself.

 

That is not what I said, or implied anywhere! Where do you read any such thing at? Where did I say "you all can do as you please, go on and sin"? Where did I tell people to, or even address "any way you wish... lie, cheat, steal, murder..."? This was not even aimed at anyone else, but those here who hudge as if they are saved by their lack of a certain sin. It's a balance. We are not saved by works, but then we are commanded not to sin if we love God. People do it anyway, but salvation is not revoked because of it, and if it is not revoked, then that is not saying sin is OK. There is a judgment seat of Christ, too, you know.
It seems the only answer your side can come up with is to keep repeating the same proof-texts and memorized responses over and over, and when someone blows it away, you have to manufacture some error to read into their response, because that is the only rebuttal possible.

If a person is lost for "thinking of no one but themselves", than you all are lost, and so is everyone else. The way you all try to just criticize and prove you are right by any tactic necessary, and REFUSE to show any compassion to the hurting of the world, but judge them in comparison to your own righteousness is proof you are just as guilty of that. So if He lets you in to Heaven, He would have to let in others who do not measure up to your standards of a right attitude, or whatever. But the criteria the Word of God sets is faith in Christ, not "handling pain correctly". If a person is faking and not really believing, then God will judge them, but it is by His knowledge of their hearts, not your generalized unbiblical (though proof-texted) outside-only looking criteria.

 

When you say a person can commit such an abominable sin as suicide and still go to heaven, you are saying they can do as they please.

 

No one has 'blown away' our stand on suicides not going to heaven. They can't. Because the Word of God affirms that that suicides will not inherit the Kingdom. Suicides are murderers. Their place is the lake of fire.

You can try to dismiss this truth all you want, but you are denying the Word of God that will never pass away. His Word is forever settled in Heaven and will not be annulled.

 

A human life is a human life. God created each person including yourself. To kill a human life be it yours or anyone else's is to take the place of God and to destroy a life He created, in effect saying many things, including that you have no repsect for Jesus and the heavy price He paid to purchase you with His blood.

I think it odd that Christians are against abortion but seem to have not much repsect for their own lives.