Do people which commit suicide automatically go to hell?

[Amy.G]

Amy,

NO... it is saying we have insulted God's grace if we think we can ABUSE His grace by going on living in SIN

That is NOT what it is saying. It is saying that if we depend on the law to save us we have trampled the Son of God underfoot and discounted His sacrifice.

 

[Claudia_T]

LOOK, I think that its just ridiculous for people to claim that it is ok to commit suicide, end of discussion for me.

 

[xdisciplex]

LOOK, I think that its just ridiculous for people to claim that it is ok to commit suicide, end of discussion for me.

Nobody here thinks it's "okay" to commit suicide!

And you still didn't answer my question.... :sleep:

 

[Amy.G]

LOOK, I think that its just ridiculous for people to claim that it is ok to commit suicide, end of discussion for me.

NOBODY has said that suicide is ok. The question was, does a person who has commited suicide go to hell. That has not been proven any more than does someone go to hell if there is but one unconfessed sin in their life. My point all along has been that ONLY God can judge the heart.

 

[rbell]

If the Holy Spirit reveals a sin to you and you do not repent and you die, you will go to hell.

An absolutely ridiculous statement.

Is sin an affront to a holy God? Yes. But your view...that if we die with any unconfessed sin, we automatically go to hell...is absolute garbage. It's not scriptural. Period. It makes a mockery of grace. Does living in sin make a mockery of grace? Yes. But SFIC, you have just admitted that God's grace is only as good as our last confession. God's grace, contradicting the old hymn, is no longer "greater than all our sins."

• First, according to you, there's a list of sins that God's grace can't cover...like suicide. And all you can offer is one passage, squeezed by your eisegesis, and contradicted by other parts of the passage.
• Second, you seemed to have embraced Catholic theology lock, stock, and barrel. Venial & Mortal sins? Last rites? Wow...I wouldn't have expected this of you.

Sad.

 

[Shiloh]

Standing, I'm back from church and see this stupid thread is still going. You said nobody has "blown" away your theory..........well here goes fellow.
1. Q. Why did Samson "kill himself?"
A. To avenge them plucking out his eyes! Jud.16:28 (could that be pride?)
2. Q. Did Samson committ murder?
A. Yes! 16:30
3. Where between vs.28 and vs.30 did he "repent?'
A. NOWHERE!
4. Q. Did Samson go to heaven?
A. Heb.11:32 it sure looks like it.
Now, I don't want to hear something like ....that was different, or it was an act of war, because it wasn't any different than anybody else killing themselves...he's dead BY HIS OWN HAND! It was not an act of war!

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Again, all murderers will have their part in the lake of fire. Is that a false statement? Was John lying when he penned that down? Did he misquote Jesus?

I don't beleve he did. Why did he not say 'some murderers will have their part in the lake of fire?'

You say once we come to God not even suicide will keep us from His eternal Kingdom. Yet I have given many verses that prove no murderer will enter heaven. Not even taking them out of context.

John said 'no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.' Jesus said 'He that hath the Son hath life'. Which one is lying? I say neither. If one who murders does not have life, then he or she could not have the Son... therefore, that one who murders his or her self is lost.

Like Claudia, I am finished with this thread.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Standing, I'm back from church and see this stupid thread is still going. You said nobody has "blown" away your theory..........well here goes fellow.
1. Q. Why did Samson "kill himself?"
A. To avenge them plucking out his eyes! Jud.16:28 (could that be pride?)
2. Q. Did Samson committ murder?
A. Yes! 16:30
3. Where between vs.28 and vs.30 did he "repent?'
A. NOWHERE!
4. Q. Did Samson go to heaven?
A. Heb.11:32 it sure looks like it.
Now, I don't want to hear something like ....that was different, or it was an act of war, because it wasn't any different than anybody else killing themselves...he's dead BY HIS OWN HAND! It was not an act of war!

Since sfiC has said he is finished with this thread, I will answer that question, Shiloh.

No, Samson did not kill himself. Read the passage. You will find that he did not commit suicide at all. Samson did not even have the strength to knock the building down at that time until he asked God to strengthen him. He asked God to let him die with the Philistines. God took his life. God did the killing, of both Samson and the Philistines. God answered Samson's prayer.

Geneva's notes put it this way:

KJG Notes (Jdg 16:28)​

Geneva Bible Notes:
(1) According to my calling which is to execute God's judgments on the wicked.

So, even at Samson's death, he was doing that which he was called to do.

And now, I too am finished with this thread. I commend those who hold to the truth in God's word that suicide is murder and all murderers, not some, as sfiC has so well spoken, will have their part in the lake of fire.​

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Boy, take a Christmas vacation and come back and things are still hot and heavy with people trying to justify sin.

While researching this issue, I ran across an article concerning Samson. I tend to agree wholeheardedly with this response:

"And Samson called unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, remember me, I pray thee, and strengthen me, I pray thee, only this once, O God, that I may be at once avenged of the Philistines for my two eyes."

In prayer He left his life entirely in the hands of God. In faithfulness and righteousness he prayed to God for miraculous power to bring down judgment on God's enemies declaring, "Let me die with the Philistines." In other words, He knew that in bringing down the bricks upon these Philistines he would die, but the judgement of these ungodly was God's purpose, and thus to him more important than his life. He was asking that his death might be used to bring glory to God in this great judgment of the Philistines. And that is exactly what happened as this episode stands for all time as a testimony to the glory of God, not the despair in suicidal tendencies. It's an important distinction to make and to understand that this is not the mindset of those contemplating suicide today. Their mind is not one set on bringing glory to God, but one of faithlessness and hopelessness. God forbid Samson should be placed in that category. Samson is mentioned in Hebrews as one of the heroes of faith. Samson died after praying God's strength to accomplish this act as he carried out God's will on the Philistines. He did not jump off a bridge in despair or slit his wrists in hopelessness. In Samson's prayers God was glorified, and Samson is remembered for all time as a hero of faith. If we were to irrationally take the Samson story out of context as evidence that Christians normally fall into despair and commit suicide, then we would have to effectively throw out all the rest of the Bible. Yet proof texts of scripture, taken out of context, are "Pretext!" God Himself ordained this story to bring glory to His name, and not so one could look at it as justification to commit suicide. The Lord didn't abandon Samson, God was there giving him the strength to accomplish his task to His own Glory. He died more as a solder or warrior in battle carrying out the will of God in bringing judgment upon God's enemies, not as mentally unstable man in despair contemplating suicide. Moreover, the whole historical event is also a spiritual pattern painted by God illustrating a "deeper spiritual truth." In Samson having his eyes put out, being brought down to Gaza (being interpreted meaning stronghold), being bound with brass chains, and having to grind in the prison house, this is all as a spiritual picture to illustrate captivity in Satan's house. This is a whole other Bible study in itself. Suffice it to say that this story in no way, shape or form has anything to say addressing the issue of suicide. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Yes, they are both round, but that is where the similarity ends. Samson did not take poison hemp, he did not throw himself off a mountain, or take knife to his own throat. He died glorifying God, and God honored his prayer for justice. Contrary to popular belief, his prayer was not for suicide (a vain prayer), but for justice in God being avenged on his enemies. No God didn't give him strength to kill himself, God gave him strength that he would kill more philistines in his death, than he had in his life (Judges 16:30). Thus God's purpose would be fulfilled through this act. This act in no way either defends suicide, or proves that Christians commit suicide. Suicide is not the trait of the faithfulness found in the believer. Would the Spirit of God inspire us to think about suicide, or is it the spirit of the antichrist that scriptures tells us was a "murderer" from the beginning? Thus it should be no surprise he sifts the weak as wheat to commit such. The fact is, genuine faith and trust in God and suicide, do not go hand in hand.

excerpt from http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/faq/christians_and_suicide.shtml

That being said, Claudia, sfiC, and HBSMN are not speaking contrary to the Word of God. Suicide is murder.

 

[Shiloh]

BALONEY, SAMSON ASKED GOD TO LET HIM BE AVENGED FOR THE PLUCKING OUT OF HIS EYES VS. 30 "AND HE BOWED HIMSELF WITH ALL HIS MIGHT"

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Samson did not commit suicide. He asked God to let him die. God honored that request.

God took his life. He had placed it in His hands. 'Let me die.'

He did not say allow me to kill myself. He prayer for strength, God strengthened him for that purpose... to bring judgment on the Philistines. The Word of God declares this.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Why even tell someone it is ok to commit suicide seeing it does not bring Honor and Glory to God?

 

[ccrobinson]

I think the discussion exists for 2 reasons.

#1, for those of us who haven't really been hit by any family member or friend who committed suicide, I see it as more of an academic discussion. I believe a Christian could commit suicide, and I don't believe that any Christian who does gets a one-way ticket to Hell. I would certainly never advise somebody to commit suicide.

#2, for those of us who have been hit by a family member or friend who committed suicide, I think they see it as more than a mere academic discussion. I think they're looking for comfort; for answers; for a kind word; something other than being kept awake at night wondering if their loved one is in Hell. I may be talking out of my hat, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

I think the discussion exists for 2 reasons.

#1, for those of us who haven't really been hit by any family member or friend who committed suicide, I see it as more of an academic discussion. I believe a Christian could commit suicide, and I don't believe that any Christian who does gets a one-way ticket to Hell. I would certainly never advise somebody to commit suicide.

#2, for those of us who have been hit by a family member or friend who committed suicide, I think they see it as more than a mere academic discussion. I think they're looking for comfort; for answers; for a kind word; something other than being kept awake at night wondering if their loved one is in Hell. I may be talking out of my hat, so please correct me if I'm wrong.

ccrobinson,
In making the statement that a Christian can commit suicide and not go to hell, you are indeed telling them to commit suicide. One who is contemplating such and reads these posts can say cc says I will not go to hell, all the others say I wlll not go to hell; and they are Christians, so they must be right... I can commit suicide.

You are in a round about way licensing suicide by saying one can commit suicide and not go to hell.

You also are making a statement contrary to the Word of God. For no murderer (suicide is self-murder) has eternal life abiding in him.

 

[xdisciplex]

You also are making a statement contrary to the Word of God. For no murderer (suicide is self-murder) has eternal life abiding in him.

are you saying that a christian could never murder because if he did then this would prove that he was never a christian?

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Only quoting the word of God, don't get mad at me.

 

[xdisciplex]

Only quoting the word of God, don't get mad at me.

I am not mad. I only want to hear your opinion about this. Can a born again christian impossibly murder somebody in a short-circuit reaction?

 

[Helen]

ccrobinson,
In making the statement that a Christian can commit suicide and not go to hell, you are indeed telling them to commit suicide. One who is contemplating such and reads these posts can say cc says I will not go to hell, all the others say I wlll not go to hell; and they are Christians, so they must be right... I can commit suicide.

You are in a round about way licensing suicide by saying one can commit suicide and not go to hell.

You also are making a statement contrary to the Word of God.

That is garbage.

First of all, murder is against another person and is done with premeditated anger and violence. It starts with hate in the heart, as Jesus said. In Ephesians 5:29, Paul says plainly that no man ever hated his own body. Since murder begins with hate and no man ever hated his own body, it is impossible for a person to murder himself. Kill himself, yes, but murder himself, no. That's biblical.

Secondly, saying that killing yourself will not, in and of itself, land you in hell is absolutely NOT the same as advocating suicide. That is absolutely bizarre. It is the same as making the statement that because sin does not land you in hell, you have just been given license to sin. That is also absolute nonsense.

To tell someone (like a child having a temper tantrum), "If you hold your breath until you pass out, it won't kill you," is not telling them to hold their breath that long. It is, rather, passing along some information -- in this case that the parent is not about to panic because the kid won't really hurt himself; automatic reflexes will kick in.

And lastly, suicide is generally the result of desperation, despair, extreme pain, or something similar which is unbalancing the mental facilities.

God knows the heart. HE is the judge, not anyone here on this board.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Did Jesus say He will keep us from the hour of temptation? I beleve He did in the word. 1 Corinthians 10:13 clearly states that He will make a way of escape.

Is one guilty if one kills accidentally? No. Not in OT times, nor now. In OT times cities of refuge were set up so the avenger of blood would not kill the one who murdered another accidentally. Same today, God will not hold an accidental murder against another.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

That is garbage.

First of all, murder is against another person and is done with premeditated anger and violence. It starts with hate in the heart, as Jesus said. In Ephesians 5:29, Paul says plainly that no man ever hated his own body. Since murder begins with hate and no man ever hated his own body, it is impossible for a person to murder himself. Kill himself, yes, but murder himself, no. That's biblical.

Secondly, saying that killing yourself will not, in and of itself, land you in hell is absolutely NOT the same as advocating suicide. That is absolutely bizarre. It is the same as making the statement that because sin does not land you in hell, you have just been given license to sin. That is also absolute nonsense.

To tell someone (like a child having a temper tantrum), "If you hold your breath until you pass out, it won't kill you," is not telling them to hold their breath that long. It is, rather, passing along some information -- in this case that the parent is not about to panic because the kid won't really hurt himself; automatic reflexes will kick in.

And lastly, suicide is generally the result of desperation, despair, extreme pain, or something similar which is unbalancing the mental facilities.

God knows the heart. HE is the judge, not anyone here on this board.

I am sorry you disagree with the Bible, Helen. The word murderer applies to murderer of self as well as another.