Do people which commit suicide automatically go to hell?

[DHK]

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus has the key of death. If I am in the center of His will, my life is immortal until he wants me to die, until it is His will for me to die. However many step out of his will. Sin is sin. It is just as bad a sin to lie as it is to commit murder as it is to lie, though the consequences be different.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
--If you have told a lie you are just as guilty as if you have murdered. This is the teaching here.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
--The definition of sin--breaking the law of God.

Thus a Christian who commits suicide is just as guilty as a Christian who dies without confessing any known sin such as lying, or holding a grudge, anger, etc. One sin is just as bad as another. All sin is a transgression of the law. The only difference between sin is the consequence involved.
Even David committed murder and adultery, but I believe that David is in Heaven today.

 

[xdisciplex]

That is garbage.

First of all, murder is against another person and is done with premeditated anger and violence. It starts with hate in the heart, as Jesus said. In Ephesians 5:29, Paul says plainly that no man ever hated his own body. Since murder begins with hate and no man ever hated his own body, it is impossible for a person to murder himself. Kill himself, yes, but murder himself, no. That's biblical.

Secondly, saying that killing yourself will not, in and of itself, land you in hell is absolutely NOT the same as advocating suicide. That is absolutely bizarre. It is the same as making the statement that because sin does not land you in hell, you have just been given license to sin. That is also absolute nonsense.

To tell someone (like a child having a temper tantrum), "If you hold your breath until you pass out, it won't kill you," is not telling them to hold their breath that long. It is, rather, passing along some information -- in this case that the parent is not about to panic because the kid won't really hurt himself; automatic reflexes will kick in.

And lastly, suicide is generally the result of desperation, despair, extreme pain, or something similar which is unbalancing the mental facilities.

God knows the heart. HE is the judge, not anyone here on this board.

Amen. :thumbsup:

 

[Helen]

Standing: You could only murder yourself if you hated yourself. No man ever hated his own body.

Biblical.

I am sorry you are disagreeing with the Bible.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

The Bible certainly would disagree with you when you say to kill yourself is not murder.

The Greek word for 'killed' in Acts 16:27 when the Philippian jailor would have killed himself is 'anaireo'. It is translated

from 303 and (the active of) 138; to take up, i.e. adopt; by implication, to take away (violently), i.e. abolish, murder:--put to death, kill, slay, take away, take up.

I am afraid you are dead wrong in saying suicide is not murder, for the word says otherwise.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Jesus has the key of death. If I am in the center of His will, my life is immortal until he wants me to die, until it is His will for me to die. However many step out of his will. Sin is sin. It is just as bad a sin to lie as it is to commit murder as it is to lie, though the consequences be different.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
--If you have told a lie you are just as guilty as if you have murdered. This is the teaching here.

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
--The definition of sin--breaking the law of God.

Thus a Christian who commits suicide is just as guilty as a Christian who dies without confessing any known sin such as lying, or holding a grudge, anger, etc. One sin is just as bad as another. All sin is a transgression of the law. The only difference between sin is the consequence involved.
Even David committed murder and adultery, but I believe that David is in Heaven today.

David did commit murder. But he also repented of that murder. Suicides cannot be repentant after the fact.

 

[Helen]

David did commit murder. But he also repented of that murder. Suicides cannot be repentant after the fact.

How do you know that?

 

[Helen]

The Bible certainly would disagree with you when you say to kill yourself is not murder.

The Greek word for 'killed' in Acts 16:27 when the Philippian jailor would have killed himself is 'anaireo'. ...
I am afraid you are dead wrong in saying suicide is not murder, for the word says otherwise.

Well, I was simply taking what Jesus said and putting it with what Paul said. I assume you think that is an error on my part...

 

[Diggin in da Word]

First of all, murder is against another person and is done with premeditated anger and violence. It starts with hate in the heart, as Jesus said. In Ephesians 5:29, Paul says plainly that no man ever hated his own body. Since murder begins with hate and no man ever hated his own body, it is impossible for a person to murder himself. Kill himself, yes, but murder himself, no. That's biblical.

Where is that verse that Jesus said murder starts with hate in the heart?

 

[DHK]

David did commit murder. But he also repented of that murder. Suicides cannot be repentant after the fact.

Consider the Scripture that we have that describes how Judas Iscariot committed suicide. Now, ignoring other Scripture for a moment (such as the statements Christ said about Judas), would it have been possible for Judas in that type of suicide to repent before he actually died?

 

[Diggin in da Word]

If you are speaking of Matthew 15:19, I do not see the word hate there.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Consider the Scripture that we have that describes how Judas Iscariot committed suicide. Now, ignoring other Scripture for a moment (such as the statements Christ said about Judas), would it have been possible for Judas in that type of suicide to repent before he actually died?

The Scripture does say he was repentant, but it was not the same kind of repentance as Peter's, for Peter did not go out and kill himself after he denied Jesus and was repentent.

Judas regretted the fact that he caused the Savior to be condemned, but apparently the repentance was not a Godly repentence.

 

[Helen]

Where is that verse that Jesus said murder starts with hate in the heart?

Matthew 5:21 states, "Youhave heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment."

Now go to Matthew 15:19: "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual limmorality, theft, false testimony, slander."

 

[DHK]

The Scripture does say he was repentant, but it was not the same kind of repentance as Peter's, for Peter did not go out and kill himself after he denied Jesus and was repentent.

I know what happened. You are not getting my point. I am putting forth a supposition; a conjecture.
Suppose--Is it possible for someone to repent if they committ suicide in the exact same way that Judas Iscariot did? Is it possible for that person to repent before they actually die?

 

[Diggin in da Word]

I know what happened. You are not getting my point. I am putting forth a supposition; a conjecture.
Suppose--Is it possible for someone to repent if they committ suicide in the exact same way that Judas Iscariot did? Is it possible for that person to repent before they actually die?

DHK,

I do not believe it is. They have taken the poison, be it a bullet, liquid, or other means, and are in the process of carrying out the murder. God knows the heart, I believe that the person's heart is turned from God.

Also, Judas did not repent of committing suicide, he repented of betraying innocent blood. One cannot repent beforehand of something they have not yet carried out, but plan to carry out

 

[Helen]

I just noticed something about the first verse I quoted:

Matthew 5:21 states, "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment."

The anger which is judged, evidently the same as murder, is against a BROTHER.

First of all, that is not a judgment of anger against oneself, and secondly, unless this is simply referring to a blood or marriage relative (and I don't believe that is true), then the idea of 'brother' to the Jew would be a fellow Jew, but to a follower of Christ, would mean a sibling in Christ.

It is when you go back to God's words to Noah that you get the prohibition against murder of any human being. But that is always of any OTHER human being, as then the murderer is to be executed. How do you execute a person who has commited suicide?

Murder is ALWAYS against another person. Killing oneself is not classified as murder anywhere in the Bible.

Is it a sin? Sometimes, certainly, but God is the judge. To the Calvinist it could not be sin because it would have been predestined by God!

To me, not being either Calvinist or Arminian, I would see the taking of one's own life under normal circumstances to be usurping God's authority over one's life, and therefore I would not be surprised if God considered it a sin. But we are told the law defines sin and I'm afraid there is no law in the Bible which has anything to do with the killing of oneself!

I hadn't realized that until I got started in this discussion.

But, again, I don't recommend that course of action.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Murder is ALWAYS against another person. Killing oneself is not classified as murder anywhere in the Bible.

Again, the Bible disagrees with you. God's Word says the jailor would have murdered himself.

 

[Helen]

Only when you choose your preferred of several meanings for the word....

In the meantime, it is best to let Bible explain Bible.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Only when you choose your preferred of several meanings for the word....

In the meantime, it is best to let Bible explain Bible.

The Bible does explain Bible. The Greek word for killed means murdered.

Funny, killed does not mean murdered, but kill does mean murder according to many of the modern versions. Does it only mean murder when you want it to mean murder?

The ten commandments command not to kill is translated murder in many versions. Why not murder when it is self? you are still taking a life. Murder no matter what you want to call it.

 

[Helen]

The Bible does explain Bible. The Greek word for killed means murdered.

Funny, killed does not mean murdered, but kill does mean murder according to many of the modern versions. Does it only mean murder when you want it to mean murder?

I'm not looking at one word for the explanation, Diggin, I'm looking at the entire Bible, trusting it will explain itself. It does.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

I'm not looking at one word for the explanation, Diggin, I'm looking at the entire Bible, trusting it will explain itself. It does.

Yes, it does. Suicide is murder of self. No murderer has eternal life abiding in him. All murderers will have their part in the lake of fire. Yes, I trust the Bible explains itself very well.

Many are blind to this truth though and advocate one murdering one's self.