Do people which commit suicide automatically go to hell?

Hardly synonymous, Standing! If you kill a chicken, have you murdered it? And if so, I sure hope your are a vegetarian, for you will go to hell otherwise, right?

And if God's commandment is actually "Thou shalt not kill" and He then commands the Israelites to kill an enormous amount of people, what does that say about God?

Murder is different. Murder results in a killing, but murder starts in the heart. And God judges the heart. Therefore it is probably a lot safer for you to say that someone who dies with a heart of hate will not go to heaven than it is for you to say that a suicide will not go to heaven.

By the way, the part about judging a tree by its fruits has to do with church leaders and their teachings, not with individual lives. Read it in context, please.

 

True believers, in the flesh, are capable of many things. Not all suicides are well thought or contemplated. Many are rash decisions made in a moment with a method that leaves no room for a second chance.

Is the Christian in a crisis, who in a moment of rashness, grabs a gun and shoots himself doomed to Hell when the Christian who makes the same rash decision with a bottle of pills, but later in the hospital regrets his choice and repents, is saved? If that's the case, then it seems you are suggesting that one's salvation is not eternally secure.

 

If judging a tree by its fruit is only concerning church leaders then Paul was disobeying God's Word when he told the Church at Corinth to put the fornicator out from among them. He also was disobeying in judging the congregation for their divisions and other problems in the body.

Helen, go back and read Matthew 7 again. You are not reading it in context. Christ had not even built the church at that point.

 

By God's own Word I can say that He will not allow a temptation to take the Christian to the point that it will be too great to resist. He will make a way of escape. And He does. Many choose to sin and immediately the Spirit begins to chasten and convict the child of God for that sin until the child repents.

Suicide will not take place in the Christian's life. For it gives no room to the Spirit to convict or chasten after the fact.

 

Will God allow that which He hates into His eternal Kingdom?

 

Matthew 27:3-5 When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty silver coins to the chief priests and the elders. ‘I have sinned,’ he said, ‘for I have betrayed innocent blood.’... So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

 

Since I am sure the majority will disagree on the answer to my above question, and thus with the Word of God as well, I will post my answer from the Word of God.

Psalms 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood (isn't the child of God supposed to be innocent once he or she comes through the blood?), An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

If a person takes his or her own life he or she is guilty of iniquity. The Word of God says He hates workers of iniquity.

 

Anybody else find this more then a little ironic.

 

standing, you never answered my question of the sheep hearing the voice of the shepherd. So.....I will ask it again. If ALL "sheep" hear the "shepherds" voice and the "shepherd" always makes a way of escape ICor.10:13 (true) do you always hear the "shepherds" voice and do you always escape? Do you ever sin? Do you think it's possible for a Christian to have their heart so cluttered and or their conscience so seared by the "cares" of this world that they either can't hear the "shepherd" or don't care what He says?
You see brother we are talking about the heart.....as Helen (oh mercy, here I go getting soft) said. Psa 66:18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me.

 

SFiC Does not sin. As you can see from his earlier post his word is as the word of God.:saint:

 

I have answered that question. I do not feel that murder and suicide are the same heart issue. Now, can you answer my question? What about the state of mind of the suicidal person? What if they are suffering from a depression so severe that they are unable to think rationally? Does God not consider this? Is this the same heart issue as Charles Manson?

 

SFIC,

One cannot agree or disagree with your question...it is, after all, a question.

However, no, God will not allow that which He hates to enter His kingdom. Thus our sin must be forgiven through the shed blood of Christ.

If what you are saying is that the suicidal person enters judment with the sin of suicide, then your argument stands for anyone who sins without repentance before death.

Thankfully, God's grace is greater than the limits some want to put on it.

 

It would not be a good thing XDX, that's for sure. :wavey:

 

Standing, Let me ask you a direct question. Can you live without sinning? Do you as a Christian still have an old nature?

 

With the dual nature of man, sinner and saint, it is impossible to arrive at the gate without sin of some sort. Certainly, we are covered by the blood of Jesus the Christ, and we are MADE righteous in Him.

If it remains impossible for a convicted murderer to gain entry to heaven through the sovereign work of God in the Holy Spirit, why do chaplains waste their time telling these prisoners about Jesus Christ and His forgiving powers?

As far as the new Christians reading this thread, I submit that they should read the positive posts, the posts that better reflect the truth of God's word, than reading God's word in isolation.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Yeah I would hate some new person to come here who is contemplating suicide and get the idea that its allright, which is what happened to my ex-father in law... so he went ahead and did it.

Thats what he wrote in his suicide note, that he would go straight to heaven afterwards.

 

Jim, we finally agree on something, May the new converts who come in the thread, or anyone who is contemplating suicide see the truth found in God's Word that no murderer will enter His kingdom. That the life we live is not our life once we come to Christ. It is not ours to take. That if one contemplates and attempts suicide without feeling the chastening hand of God, they better know they are not saved, for God chastens whom He loves. That if they do succeed in murdering themselves, they will have their part in the lake of fire, for no murderer has eternal life and will not inherit the kingdom.

That is straight out of the Word of God. Have a problem with it? Take it up with the one who authored the Holy Word, God Almighty.

 

One can always take things to the worst case scenario and make it seem ok to do something.

That doesnt help the depressed person contemplating suicide who wouldnt otherwise have done it .... except that Christians made him think that it was ok and he'd go to heaven anyway.


Just like you could take the worst case scenario of why it would be ok to go shoot someone else...