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Do We Need to Defend the Bible?

Earth Wind and Fire

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Excellent! My church will be letting the Lion out of His cage in the near future. We are proposing to call on every house in our area and give a portion of Scripture (Luke's Gospel) to each one. A recent survey of new Christians in the UK found that reading the Bible was, along with being invited to church, the primary way that they had come to the Lord.
And your goal is to do what? I always assumed that the Holy Spirit convinced people to come to the lord. Was I mistaken?
 

Martin Marprelate

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And your goal is to do what? I always assumed that the Holy Spirit convinced people to come to the lord. Was I mistaken?
Our goal is to obey the Great Commission. "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go THEREFORE and make disciples of all the nations......" It is precisely because God is sovereign, and the Holy Spirit convinces people to come to the Lord that we are to go. See Luke 24:46-47; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8. Because so many of the churches in Britain have not been doing their job of evangelizing the lost, huge numbers of people here, especially the young, have no knowledge of the Lord Jesus, and as a result they are anxious, depressed, self-harming, and without hope. We need to obey our Lord's command and reach out.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Our goal is to obey the Great Commission. "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go THEREFORE and make disciples of all the nations......" It is precisely because God is sovereign, and the Holy Spirit convinces people to come to the Lord that we are to go. See Luke 24:46-47; Mark 16:15; Acts 1:8. Because so many of the churches in Britain have not been doing their job of evangelizing the lost, huge numbers of people here, especially the young, have no knowledge of the Lord Jesus, and as a result they are anxious, depressed, self-harming, and without hope. We need to obey our Lord's command and reach out.
The USA is not far behind you… but why the gospel of Luke and not John? Isn’t John the Love Gospel?

In my boyhood and without a father, the church clergymen visited our home and helped with food etc. But if someone was not active in our lives well ya know. It takes a comment to get peoples attention… not dogma… and kids see that.

And discipleship takes a ton of time to cultivate.
 

JD731

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No, we don't. There is nothing the Word of God that commands us to defend it. It is God's Word. He can defend His own Word.

Instead, what we have are metaphors that say we are to attack with the Bible. It is a sword (Heb. 4:12, Eph. 6:17). You don't defend a sword, putting it in a nice display and clobbering anyone who tries to take it. You pick it up and go out and attack the enemy with it!

Jer. 23:29, "Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?" You don't defend a fire or a hammer. You burn stuff up and you break things or mend things with it.

So, any KJV-Only advocate who reads this: stop defending the KJV, and go out and stab a sinner with it!

The point here in this OP is, are there any commands in the Bible to defend the Bible (the whole Bible, not just certain doctrines). KJVO folk defend the KJV all the time, but I believe it is unnecessary and not commanded in Scripture.
I think I remember you writing that the Japanese had a Bible already before you showed up. Why did you spend so much time translating a Bible in Japanese if they already had one? Why not just stab a sinner with it?
 

John of Japan

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I think I remember you writing that the Japanese had a Bible already before you showed up. Why did you spend so much time translating a Bible in Japanese if they already had one? Why not just stab a sinner with it?
A fair question.

1. The conservative Japanese version is analogous to the NASB, and supported by the Lockman Foundation. Like the NASB (and most modern versions they want control over who uses more than a certain number of verses. That's just wrong (2 Cor. 2:17, where "corrupt" in the KJV is "peddle"). We wanted a NT anyone could use without getting permission or paying money. Now Japanese can "stab a sinner" without asking permission! Thousands of John & Romans were given out free after the Fukushima Earthquake, and 86,000 were passed out at the Tokyo Summer Games, all free!

2. I'm a Byzantine priority guy, and the only TR/Byz NT ever translated in Japanese history was in very difficult classical Japanese, now long out of print.

3. Translating the NT became a huge spiritual blessing to Uncle Miya and me.

4. Gaining expertise in Bible translation prepared me to be sent to Africa to train translators for a week. They are now working on a Cameroon pidgin translation.

5. I didn't know it at the time, but God was preparing me to start, lead, and teach in an MA program for Bible translators. I am so blessed to train Bible translators, now working in several people groups to produce translations for those who have no Bible!

About #1, the Lockman Foundation actually sued the Japanese translation team, having limited the copyright to just them. The Japanese team had to pay $36,000 (I think it was) just to get their own copyright! That's downright shameful! Our translation is now being used in various places without our permission and without paying us money, just like it ought to be with the Word of God!

Happy New Year!
 

Van

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@Van and @JesusFan

Really? It's not enough that you guys have an entire sub-forum dedicated to Cal. vs. Arm., but you have to hijack my thread to keep going on it?

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year anyway. :Cool
The point here in this OP is, are there any commands in the Bible to defend the Bible (the whole Bible, not just certain doctrines). KJVO folk defend the KJV all the time, but I believe it is unnecessary and not commanded in Scripture.
Here is the quote from the OP that I am disagreeing with, "There is nothing the Word of God that commands us to defend it. It is God's Word. He can defend His own Word."

We are to defend God's word. What you disparage as a "hijack" I call a defense of God's Word.
 
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