Originally posted by Roguelet:
The bible says " if you spare the ROD you spoil the child"
Not exactly, but close:
"He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him promptly." - Proverbs 13:24
Don't forget that this is a proverb, that is, a poetic saying. It's not a literal instriction. It must be taken in its poetic context. This verse is not saying that we
must use a rod to discipline our kids. The rod here is an analogous term. This verse tells us that the opposite of sparing the rod is disciplining our children promptly. Discipline means to correct and teach. This verse is telling us that parents should correct inappropriate behavior and teach appropriate behavior. To imply that this verse is advocating "whoppin'" is simply a twist of scripture.
"Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him." - Proverbs 22:15
and
"The rod and rebuke give wisdom: But a child left to himself brings shame to his mother."
The "rod" here is referring to correction and teaching. Correction and teaching rebuke and give wisdom. Wisdom is gained through teaching, which is an essential part of discipline. Again, to imply that this verse is advocating "whoppin'" is simply a twist of scripture.
In fact, if you we at Psalm 23, we see that "Your rod and Your staff they comfort me." You'll see here that the rod is clearly a rod of protection and comfort, an analogy againg of the shepherd's rod (I don't know too many shepherds who beat their sheep).
I am amazed at a few facts
1)How many Christians think capital punishment is wrong. ( Not for children just in general )
Capital punishment is no longer required. It was implimented as part of the OT civil law for the Israelites. That law is no longer in effect.
I believe it is still permissible, but not required. In fact, scripture does not instruct man on the operation of jurisprudence. It appears to leave that up to us.
2)How many Christians do NOT discipline their children.
If you're equating "spanking" with "discipline" your statement is incorrect. However, if you're referring to discipline in general, I agree with your statement.
This is true regardless of the spanking issue. I know parents who spank, but generally do not discipline. I know parents who don't spank, but discipine well. I know parents who spank and discippine well. I know parents who don't spank and don't discipline.
I belive spanking is permitted, but not required scripturally. Discipline is required scripturally.
3)How many have have fallen for the lie of the Government and liberal media.
That's a rather generic statement. One could easily lump in anyone who disagrees with you into that category without having to prove it. That's one of the reasons I try to stay away from such nebulous statements.
4)How many think Dr. Phill and the Nanny show is the answer to all our problems with kids today.
I don't watc the Nanny show, but I have no problem with Dr Phil. He gives good, sound, and, imo, Godly advice.
Seems to me we have become a wishy washy society worried about what others ( including our children ) think than what God thinks.
Again, a rather nebulous comment. It seems to imply that if a parents doesn't spank their kids, they're wishy-washy. That's a pretty self-rightous comment.
My biggest questions was for how Parents are taught by the LIBERAL MEDIA on how we should raise kids.
I don't know a single parent who was so taught. It sounds like just another statment that can be used to fingerpoint at parents based solely on not liking the way the discipline. Again, the cammont is self-righteous in nature.
When GODS WORD is clear about how !
Yes, God's words are clear. God's words to not require spanking. They appear to permit it, but require it. It seems that the "God requires spanking" crows that is not clear on what God's word really says.
I thought i was refering to nonchristians when writing this but I see there are a lot of christians who also believe in a humanistic liberal way of raising kids.
There's no shortage of people applying the "liberal" label for no scriptural reason. The old "if you don't agree with me, you're a liberal". This topic shows no shortage of that.
Satan is a liar and he has fooled even christians in this area as well as so many other areas.
Satan is a liar and has fooled Christians into thinking that spanking should be mandatory and often.
Parents and kids on the Dr, Phil show
It doesn't even appear to me that you have watched the Dr Phil show, other than brief channelsurfing. NO disrespect intended, but I question your ability to judge Dr Phil objectively and with righteousness.
After reading " What The Bible Says About Child Training " Dobsons book, and a few others, listening to Godly Pastors who raised Godly kids, well known Christian authors who all are saying basically the same thing about what Gods word has to say about it.
Hmmm, I thought all you needed was to read God's word. It seems you're relying on others (and at the same time, rebuking those who rely on others based on nothing but your preformed opinion on the topic). Again, I mean no disrespect, but it seems like a bit of a doublestandard.
Now, as far as other parents, I detect a bit if unrighteous judgement there. I know plenty of Godly parents who have never spanked, aren't liberal, and have well-disciplined children.
I and others would rather take the advice of those who speak from authority on the subject.
I speak with authority ono the subject. I've dilligently studied scripture. I also have three children. They know that I will not hesitate to spank if necessary. I haven't done so in five years that I can remember, and my youngest is nine.
Not people with no children or those who do not disagree with God.
Sounds like you discount them simply if they don't agree with what you think God is saying.
That's dangerous, my friend. We must look at scripture as a whole, through objective eyes, receptive mind, and open heart. Verse-worship typically ends up in misapplication, and is difficult to refute once it is applied.
