Do you believe in Miracles, healings ext. ?

[Thinkingstuff]

I agree. That would prove his existence, wouldn't it?

I believe that miracles happen but that we cannot differentiate them from statistical chance.

When I was 22 a series of unrelated minor accidents resulted in a nerve string in my left arem going from my elbow to my wrist being destroyed. I was left only able to move my thumb and index fingers. The other three fingers, permanently curled and imobile except for slight movement in the middle finger. I was told, after three months, there was very little hope as they couldn't get a response from the nerve string. They said the healing process progresses at an inch a month and would never make it to the hand in time to save the nerves in the hand. The plan was to wait a year to see if any of the nerve string regenerated from the elbow then remove the remainder of the string going into the hand. This would leave me with appx. a 25% chance of nerves regrowing and regaining some movement.

Because I worked with my hands, I ended up out of work and my mom, being my mom, took the opportunty to start hanging out at my house. As a results, we worked through a lot of issues. Then she, suddenly, died. Shortly after her death, I was practicing for a sunday school lesson I had to teach that had three points and, instinctively started counting off on fingers. I counted, one with my index finger, two with my middle finger (which wasn't totally paralyzed) and started to count three with ring finger and realized I'd moved it. To this day, they cannot get a response from the normal nerve string. I, apparently, grew another one that travels who knows where down my arm, in time to connect to the live nerves in the hand and spare movement in the three fingers.

It's very rare and unexplainable with the nerve string intact. My body should have tried to restore the existing nerve string not tried to grow a new one and it shouldn't have been able to grow that fast. Yet it, apparently, it did. Is it possible? Yes but highly unusual. However, timing can be a miracle. Having this happen when it did allowed me to resolve issues with my mom that would have haunted me my entire life. That this happened when it did is as much of a miracle as the fact I can move those fingers today.

They say the parting of the red sea may be the result of a tsunami but if you're an isrealite, trapped on one side by Pharoahs army and on the other by the red sea, it doesn't rightly matter. Timing can be a miracle.

I like the cable commercial that says that 90% of people will beleive everything you say 50% of the time. I've worked with statistics and anything has a statistical chance of happening. God works Miracles. But you don't have to be weird to believe in it.

 

[Alcott]

Sick is what the scripture talks about, not a missing arm.

Yeah, and I sure wonder why. If God is all-powerful he can replace a missing arm or leg as easily as he can heal a disease. So what that shows is that it is no miracle; it's incentive to be prayed over, maybe oiled over, and be made a big fuss over. But if the whole process were miraculous, it would also work for a missing limb.

 

[Brother Bob]

Yeah, and I sure wonder why. If God is all-powerful he can replace a missing arm or leg as easily as he can heal a disease. So what that shows is that it is no miracle; it's incentive to be prayed over, maybe oiled over, and be made a big fuss over. But if the whole process were miraculous, it would also work for a missing limb.

One thing for sure, you will not have to worry about it, for it takes faith to work. If I was you, I would just not give it another thought.

BBob,

 

[LeBuick]

One thing for sure, you will not have to worry about it, for it takes faith to work. If I was you, I would just not give it another thought.

BBob,

Faith = The proof of the invisible and that which gives hope a consistency...

My sister in law is caught up in charismania and uses the "enough faith will heal you" stuff. I mentioned to her once about Paul and how he prayed to have the thorn removed and God did not remove it. She had no answer.

Paul not only got his answer, he accepted it... Same as Jesus did in the garden...

Php 4:10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity.
11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[Alcott]

One thing for sure, you will not have to worry about it, for it takes faith to work.

I assure you, a miracle happening is not something I worry about. Do you?

 

[LeBuick]

I assure you, a miracle happening is not something I worry about. Do you?

That all depends on your definition of the word miracle. I believe Man uses the word "miracle" to describe extraordinary events they can't other wise explain. In this category falls the substance of Gods work.

Mt 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

Now I guess verse 22 is only limited by your understanding of the word "ALL". This is the single limitation I place on the word all;

1Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:

 

[Brother Bob]

I assure you, a miracle happening is not something I worry about. Do you?

Yes, I am alive because of miracles. They gave me up for dead many years ago, told my wife to prepare for my death, that I would not live another 24 hrs. Well, by the mercies and miracles of God, I am still here.
I pray for miracles all the time, that others might live longer. Yes, I do not worry about it, but I do expect it to happen. If its the Lord's will, it does. I am not in the miracle business, but the Lord is. raying:

Bbob,

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Anything in or of Christian Faith that is not Divine and therefore is not miraculous, inexplicable and possible only for Omnipotent God, is not Christian, is not faith. Everything Christian Faith, is faith, and Christ, and therefore miraculous, inexplicable and possible only for Omnipotent God. In that and in that only, do I believe when I confess, "I believe in God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Now here's the catch for believers of the 'gifts' of the miraculous today: Once you confess, I believe the Holy Spirit .... you're a fake! Because two, in fact three criteria, 'prove the spirits' whether they are of God or not. First, The spirit that witnesses to or of himself, is not the Spirit of Jesus Christ who also eminates from the Father. Two, The 'spirit' that does not do everthing required of it according to John 16, is a false and misleading into damnation spirit, especially if he does not convince of sins! Three, If a spirit is a proud spirit he is the spirit of the devil. By these tests any Christian shall know every spirit there might be. Fear none of them that do not answer all three criteria. There is only one Holy Spirit, you will fear God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit once He meets with you. O yes, that was the fourth criterium. You cannot meet with Him; He shall meet with you.

 

[LeBuick]

Yes, I am alive because of miracles. They gave me up for dead many years ago, told my wife to prepare for my death, that I would not live another 24 hrs. Well, by the mercies and miracles of God, I am still here.
I pray for miracles all the time, that others might live longer. Yes, I do not worry about it, but I do expect it to happen. If its the Lord's will, it does. I am not in the miracle business, but the Lord is. raying:

Bbob,

Brother Bob, I think you hit the essence of it here. Many faith healers make it seem they are the ones who has some special power or ability to heal etc... They give the true children of God a bad stain when we take God at his Word.

I believe the confusion comes from 1 COR 12 where Paul says some have the gift of healing. What they fail to see are key verses that tell us Paul was really teaching on "recognizing" the Spirit being at work through man and not recognizing anything special about a man.

1 Cor 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom etc...

The Pentecostals believe speaking in tongues is a sign of one's state of salvation. Where I have not witnessed tongues but do not doubt speaking in tongues, don't see it as a sign of salvation and no credit should ever be given to the man. The difference being the Spirit at work through a Man vs. Man at work on behalf of the Spirit. The former meaning it is an average man being used by the Spirit as opposed to the later which implies some man who permanently carries some special gift given by the Spirit.

This is why I believe you hit the nail solidly on the head by saying, "I am not in the miracle business, but the Lord is." No truer words were ever said that give credit to the proper entity. God... :godisgood:

Lest I forget, "for His Name sake" preached by Dr PH Gholston.

 

[Brother Bob]

Anything in or of Christian Faith that is not Divine and therefore is not miraculous, inexplicable and possible only for Omnipotent God, is not Christian, is not faith. Everything Christian Faith, is faith, and Christ, and therefore miraculous, inexplicable and possible only for Omnipotent God. In that and in that only, do I believe when I confess, "I believe in God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Now here's the catch for believers of the 'gifts' of the miraculous today: Once you confess, I believe the Holy Spirit .... you're a fake! Because two, in fact three criteria, 'prove the spirits' whether they are of God or not. First, The spirit that witnesses to or of himself, is not the Spirit of Jesus Christ who also eminates from the Father. Two, The 'spirit' that does not do everthing required of it according to John 16, is a false and misleading into damnation spirit, especially if he does not convince of sins! Three, If a spirit is a proud spirit he is the spirit of the devil. By these tests any Christian shall know every spirit ther might be. Fear none of them that do not answer all three criteria. There is only one Holy Spirit, you wil fear God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit once He meets with you. O yes, that was the fourth criteria. You cannot meet with Him; he shall meet with you.

Gerhard Ebersoehn; You said, to say I believe the Holy Spirit, you are a fake. Then you say, "try the Spirits to see if they are of God". If we are able to "try the Spirits to see if they are of God", then we must be able to know if they are of God. If, after trying the Spirits and finding they are of God and saying: "I believe the Holy Spirit", is not a fake, period. Even at your own reasoning. Either you is, or either you ain't!!!

If any man takes any credit upon himself, then I also say he is a fake.

Bbob,

 

[LeBuick]

Now here's the catch for believers of the 'gifts' of the miraculous today: Once you confess, I believe the Holy Spirit .... you're a fake! Because two, in fact three criteria, 'prove the spirits' whether they are of God or not. First, The spirit that witnesses to or of himself, is not the Spirit of Jesus Christ who also eminates from the Father. Two, The 'spirit' that does not do everthing required of it according to John 16, is a false and misleading into damnation spirit, especially if he does not convince of sins! Three, If a spirit is a proud spirit he is the spirit of the devil. By these tests any Christian shall know every spirit there might be. Fear none of them that do not answer all three criteria. There is only one Holy Spirit, you will fear God the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit once He meets with you. O yes, that was the fourth criterium. You cannot meet with Him; He shall meet with you.

You seem to confuse the spirit with that being the third in the Godhead which is Spirit or Holy Ghost. Once you made that mistake there was no coming back.

If I recall, John 16 is Jesus teachings regarding the coexistence of the entities of the Godhead on earth. The key being the comforter will come... I will look at it when I get back but I don't believe it supports the rest of what you said. Perhaps you can give specific verses for us to discuss.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

All I say, these are the four criteria or tests because the Scriptures say we must test the spirits whether they are of God or not:
1) A self-atesting spirit is the false spirit;
2) A spirit that convinces not of sin and judgment is a false spirit- no, is the false spirit;
3) a pride spirit that makes you boast how many sick you have healed and how many dead you have raised, is the emination of the devil himself;
4) the spirit that lets you take the initiative from God, is a disappointing spirit; he shall let you down - into hell down.

You have all the Word to confirm these four criteria by. And by the buy, it's the spirit of the drunkard who here a little there a little, mounts rule upon rule.

 

[Brother Bob]

All I say, these are the four criteria or tests because the Scriptures say we must test the spirits whether they are of God or not:
1) A self-atesting spirit is the false spirit;
2) A spirit that convinces not of sin and judgment is a false spirit- no, is the false spirit;
3) a pride spirit that makes you boast how many sick you have healed and how many dead you have raised, is the emination of the devil himself;
4) the spirit that lets you take the initiative from God, is a disappointing spirit; he shall let you down - into hell down.

You have all the Word to confirm these four criteria by. And by the buy, it's the spirit of the drunkard who here a little there a little, mounts rule upon rule.

Gerhard Ebersoehn; I agree with you. I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anyone say they were the healer, if any miracles is done, it is God who does it.

I for one and probably all on here do not believe in a showy prayer, asking God to heal someone. I never have thought I could pray, and right then it happens. God works in His own time.

I don't disagree with you at all about the evil spirits you speak of, I agree with you. I still believe God is in the miracle business.

BBob,

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

And so do I believe. But here's a probable possibility of being fooled: "I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anyone say they were the healer, if any miracles is done, it is God who does it."
Neither have I seen anyone among those 'healers' claim it was he who healed; no, say everyone of them bunch, it's the Spirit; but if not we prayed, He would not heal; nor would He, were it you who prayed, but anyone except the gifted to so pray.

No! What you say is true, "If any miracle is done, it is God who does it"; He needs nor asks for a gifted pray-er to heal. It is of God's own independent nothing awarding free will and grace He heals or does not heal.

 

[LeBuick]

And so do I believe. But here's a probable possibility of being fooled: "I could be wrong, but I haven't seen anyone say they were the healer, if any miracles is done, it is God who does it."
Neither have I seen anyone among those 'healers' claim it was he who healed; no, say everyone of them bunch, it's the Spirit; but if not we prayed, He would not heal; nor would He, were it you who prayed, but anyone except the gifted to so pray.

No! What you say is true, "If any miracle is done, it is God who does it"; He needs nor asks for a gifted pray-er to heal. It is of God's own independent nothing awarding free will and grace He heals or does not heal.

I completely agree...


Although I question anyone who would accept the title "faith healer". Something about that name implies the faith is of the healer and not of the one being healed.

 

[Alcott]

They gave me up for dead many years ago, told my wife to prepare for my death, that I would not live another 24 hrs. Well, by the mercies and miracles of God, I am still here.

Is there a doctor who would sing an affidavit stating that it is an absolute impossibility for you to have survived to your present age?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I believe in miracles. CLICK HERE

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Is there a doctor who would sing an affidavit stating that it is an absolute impossibility for you to have survived to your present age?

GE
Like Magnetic Poles, so do I believe! I have experienced them ordinarily every moment of my life so far, extraordinarily above anyone else - by grace I am saved! And super-extraordinarily abundently above count or measure. If anyone have proof of miracles, it's me. Not one as the reward for or included in the 'gift' every 'faith-healer' claims to possess and delegate.

 

[Brother Bob]

Is there a doctor who would sing an affidavit stating that it is an absolute impossibility for you to have survived to your present age?

They are all dead. Why does it bother you, when you are not a believer in miracles??

If I was dead, then you would know for sure there was no miracle, but I am alive. Have you ever felt "life" leaving your body and you are helpless to stop it. That is when you know for sure, who has the power and miracles to give.

BBob,

 

[Alcott]

They are all dead.

How very convenient. They must have done a miracle transplant on you, so you got theirs and they croaked instead.

Why does it bother you, when you are not a believer in miracles??

It doesn't bother me.

If I was dead, then you would know for sure there was no miracle, but I am alive.

If you were dead, I'd have never read a peep about you.

Have you ever felt "life" leaving your body and you are helpless to stop it.

No.