Do You Have the Right to Bear Arms?

[righteousdude2]

Here's an interesting poll in USA Today. You can take this poll, as well as the one attached as a BB poll. :thumbs:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

 

[Oldtimer]

Yes, and that includes having a concealed carry permit (which shouldn't be required).

 

[ktn4eg]

The Second Amendment......America's Original Homeland Security.

 

[Salty]

I voted yes - of course - but should that right ever be taken away?

I think we would all agree that a person convicted of first-degree murder should not be allowed to have a weapon.

But what about a person who committed a white collar felony. Should he loose his right?

What about a person with a mental issue? How bad should it be, before loosing his right?

Lets add these to the discussions.

Should we be required to register our weapons?
Should one State or Commonwealth be required to accept the registration of another State or Commonwealth.

any other situations should we add to this discussion?

Salty


PS - In addition to the right to bear arms
We also believe in the right to arm bears!

 

[HAMel]

"Then said he unto them, But now, he that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

 

[Luke2427]

Here's an interesting poll in USA Today. You can take this poll, as well as the one attached as a BB poll. :thumbs:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

The fact that Jesus told his disciples to buy swords is enough.

But added to that we have an Old Testament full of armed saints.

And added to that we have laws in the Bible giving men the right to defend themselves.

And added to that, is the proof of nature. The God of nature gave the vast majority of creatures a means whereby they could defend themselves.

The elephant has his tusks.

The porcupine, his quills.

The buffalo and deer, their horns.

The gazelle his speed.

Humans do not have any of these things. Does God care less for humans? No. He cares infinitely more for humans. He gave us our intelligence whereby we arm ourselves with defensive weapons greater than any other creatures have.

Rob the elephant of his tusks and the porcupine of his quills and you will do to them the same you'd do to humans if you take from them their right to bear arms.

 

[padredurand]

There was an article in the local paper the other day reporting on a drug bust. The paper said the people involved had drugs, cash and an arsenal of weapons. I had to laugh. I have more guns in my arsenal than the drug dealers had in theirs.

I am a firm believer in gun control. Two hands on every pistol!

BTW, Luke, deer have antlers not horns. :thumbsup:

 

[HeDied4U]

I voted yes - of course - but should that right ever be taken away?

I think we would all agree that a person convicted of first-degree murder should not be allowed to have a weapon.

But what about a person who committed a white collar felony. Should he loose his right?

What about a person with a mental issue? How bad should it be, before loosing his right?

Lets add these to the discussions.

Should we be required to register our weapons?
Should one State or Commonwealth be required to accept the registration of another State or Commonwealth.

any other situations should we add to this discussion?

Salty


PS - In addition to the right to bear arms
We also believe in the right to arm bears!

For some reason, that made me LOL. Needed a good laugh this morning. Thanks

 

[Arbo]

 

[freeatlast]

The constitution gives that right and there is nothing in it that suggests that there is ever any way to lose that right or that there should be some requirement met before that right is exercised such as permits. The problem is that many have decided to forfeit the constitutional rights for others and in doing so they are losing their own.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The constitution gives that right and there is nothing in it that suggests that there is ever any way to lose that right or that there should be some requirement met before that right is exercised such as permits. The problem is that many have decided to forfeit the constitutional rights for others and in doing so they are losing their own.

In Communistic NJ, you cant go in a gun store & even ask to see a snotgun without a Permit..... Fatso Christy needs to put that on his to-do list.

 

[Oldtimer]

The constitution gives that right and there is nothing in it that suggests that there is ever any way to lose that right or that there should be some requirement met before that right is exercised such as permits. The problem is that many have decided to forfeit the constitutional rights for others and in doing so they are losing their own.

We believe that everyone has the right, granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, to......... except.

It's the accumulating exception factor that has gutted the Constitution for all practical intents and purposes. Just one example -- the commerce clause exception has now been extended to include forcing people to buy health insurance as a federal mandate.

-- An entire township bans backyard chickens, because 1 neighbor didn't like to hear a rooster crow. Take away the freedom from everyone because of 1 exception case.

-- Ban prayer at any public school function because 1 student complained about 1 prayer at 1 awards ceremony. Take away the religious freedom of all faiths because of 1 exception case.

-- Well, you get the idea.

Oh, gotta mention one more.

City folk move to country (rural farm land area) and shortly afterwards begin to complain about the norms associated with country life. Things country folk take in stride, as they respect the property rights of their neighbors. With one exception, after another, the property rights of country folk, become the non-rights accepted by city folk. It happened right here on our little patch of ground over the last 20 years or so.

So, whether it's the right to bear arms or do as you please on your own property, the exceptions for a few, take away the freedom from all.

 

[agedman]

I have to admit that I am quite a libertarian when it comes to government imposing laws on individuals, and even social societal rules. I go so far as to question much of the intent behind the desire of the assemblies to make social change and impact by law. I don't see that as authorized in Scriptures.

I think the assemblies should be very strict in their views and associations within that assembly and associated assemblies.

But the imposition of some kind of "spiritual" upon the unregenerate doesn't bring anyone to Christ.

So, let the wicked continue in their wickedness and even become more wicked if that is the desire of their hearts (which it is).

If their wickedness filters on to me and mine, then they have violated there own standards and should be accountable.

Believers should not expect the unregenerate to live other than to the human standard they determine.

Believers are accountable to God, not man.

 

[InTheLight]

We believe that everyone has the right, granted by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, to......... except.


So, whether it's the right to bear arms or do as you please on your own property, the exceptions for a few, take away the freedom from all.

Yep, just like the right to vote. Now some are proposing you need a photo ID to vote.

 

[agedman]

Yep, just like the right to vote. Now some are proposing you need a photo ID to vote.

I think only landowners should vote. That's what Jefferson wanted.

 

[Jon-Marc]

Everyone has the right to defend himself and his home. However, since it seems that most criminals carry automatics, the firearms we are allowed to own wouldn't stand up against their firepower. The weapon of my choice for protection is a shotgun. My hands aren't steady enough for a handgun.

 

[Salty]

Yep, just like the right to vote. Now some are proposing you need a photo ID to vote.

So does a non-citizen have the right to vote? Exactly where does the basic Constitution say a person must be a citizen to vote?

 

[agedman]

Everyone has the right to defend himself and his home. However, since it seems that most criminals carry automatics, the firearms we are allowed to own wouldn't stand up against their firepower. The weapon of my choice for protection is a shotgun. My hands aren't steady enough for a handgun.

Nothing quite brings a long pause to a criminal in a home than the click - click of the pump.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

Yep, just like the right to vote. Now some are proposing you need a photo ID to vote.

Yes.....it is usually Republicans and/or conservatives who tire of dead people and the criminal immigrants who vote for democrats. Anyone can get a photo i.d. except dead people, who (inexplicably) vote almost exclusively democrat/liberal.

 

[HeirofSalvation]

I voted yes - of course - but should that right ever be taken away?

No, never, not under any circumstances.

I think we would all agree that a person convicted of first-degree murder should not be allowed to have a weapon.

We would not all agree actually....if we were actually executing 1st degree murderers, (as we should) or at least imprisoning them for life....really life, it would be a non-issue.

But what about a person who committed a white collar felony. Should he loose his right?

No, see above...One also needs to consider this problematic factor: if you take away the right of a felon to possess a firearm, you also inadvertently take that right away from their spouse/kids/other non-felons who live with them. If they are still "felons" and a percieved threat to society, they should still be incarcerated....or they should already be dead. Our prisons are already loaded with (otherwise non-threat former felons) whose only "crime" was to be in possession of a firearm....even one registered to another.

What about a person with a mental issue? How bad should it be, before loosing his right?

Nope, not even then.....A very wise lawyer once told me... Tough cases, make for bad laws. He was right. We cannot legislate away all bad things. Every time something bad happens, the ill-educated populace begins screaming for Congress or some Legislature to "do something" about this....they usually kow-tow every time, and the rights of good people are trampled on, and bad things continue to happen.

Should we be required to register our weapons?

No, never, and these include our M1/a1 Abrams tanks we are storing up in order to utilize deadly force upon the Government, when eventually it becomes necessary. This will be when it becomes the tyrannical dictatorship it, like almost all governments, eventually will. An example might be.....when they legally murder babies and/or attempt to disarm us.

Should one State or Commonwealth be required to accept the registration of another State or Commonwealth.

There should be no such thing as these registrations.

any other situations should we add to this discussion?

No.