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Do You Know the Baptist Distinctives?

John of Japan

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It was said on another thread that Lucifer being Satan was a Baptist teaching. Do you really know what it means to be a Baptist? The basic required beliefs for being a Baptist are called the Baptist Distinctives.

I did not learn the Baptist distinctives growing up, not from Sunday School teachers, not from my Baptist pastor father, not from deacons, not at the Bible college from which I graduated in 1976 (Tennessee Temple). That Baptist college didn't even require a class in Baptist history or doctrine. So, when I went before the candidate committee of the mission board I was to go to Japan under, I could not tell those good Baptist pastors and evangelists why I was a Baptist. I was extremely embarrassed by that. They sent me to a scholar who could help me, so some months later when I went before a candidate committee again I was able to stand up and be an informed Baptist.

So, what does it mean to you to be a Baptist? Do you have a list of Baptist distinctives? Please share your list on this thread, and I'll get back to you on it--possibly not until Monday, since we have an ordination council this morning, plus my younger sister is here for a few days.
 

JesusFan

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It was said on another thread that Lucifer being Satan was a Baptist teaching. Do you really know what it means to be a Baptist? The basic required beliefs for being a Baptist are called the Baptist Distinctives.

I did not learn the Baptist distinctives growing up, not from Sunday School teachers, not from my Baptist pastor father, not from deacons, not at the Bible college from which I graduated in 1976 (Tennessee Temple). That Baptist college didn't even require a class in Baptist history or doctrine. So, when I went before the candidate committee of the mission board I was to go to Japan under, I could not tell those good Baptist pastors and evangelists why I was a Baptist. I was extremely embarrassed by that. They sent me to a scholar who could help me, so some months later when I went before a candidate committee again I was able to stand up and be an informed Baptist.

So, what does it mean to you to be a Baptist? Do you have a list of Baptist distinctives? Please share your list on this thread, and I'll get back to you on it--possibly not until Monday, since we have an ordination council this morning, plus my younger sister is here for a few days.
From High Point Baptist Church

What Are the Eight Baptist Distinctives?​


These teachings may be remembered by associating them with the letters that form the word BAPTISTS.​


1. Biblical Authority
The Bible is the final authority in all matters of belief and practice because the Bible is inspired by God and bears the absolute authority of God Himself. Whatever the Bible affirms, Baptists accept as true. No human opinion or decree of any church group can override the Bible. Even creeds and confessions of faith, which attempt to articulate the theology of Scripture, do not carry Scripture’s inherent authority. (
2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21)

2. Autonomy of the Local Church
The local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of the church. All human authority for governing the local church resides within the local church itself. Thus the church is autonomous, or self-governing. No religious hierarchy outside the local church may dictate a church’s beliefs or practices. Autonomy does not mean isolation. A Baptist church may fellowship with other churches around mutual interests and in an associational tie, but a Baptist church cannot be a “member” of any other body. (
Colossians 1:18; 2 Corinthians 8:1-5, 19, 23)

3. Priesthood of the Believer
“Priest” is defined as “one authorized to perform the sacred rites of a religion, especially as a mediatory agent between humans and God.” Every believer today is a priest of God and may enter into His presence in prayer directly through our Great High Priest, Jesus Christ. No other mediator is needed between God and people. As priests, we can study God’s Word, pray for others, and offer spiritual worship to God. We all have equal access to God–whether we are a preacher or not. (
1 Peter 2:5, 9; Revelation 5:9-10)

4. Two Ordinances
The local church should practice two ordinances: (1) baptism of believers by immersion in water, identifying the individual with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection, and (2) the Lord’s Supper, or communion, commemorating His death for our sins.
 (Matthew 28:19-20; 1 Corinthians 11:23-32)

5. Individual Soul Liberty
Every individual, whether a believer or an unbeliever, has the liberty to choose what he believes is right in the religious realm. No one should be forced to assent to any belief against his will. Baptists have always opposed religious persecution. However, this liberty does not exempt one from responsibility to the Word of God or from accountability to God Himself.
 (Romans 14:5, 12; 2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9)

6. Saved, Baptized Church Membership
Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified themselves with Him in believer’s baptism. When the members of a local church are believers, a oneness in Christ exists, and the members can endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
 (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Ephesians 4:3)

7. Two Offices
The Bible mandates only two offices in the church: elder and deacon. The three terms—”pastor”, “elder”, and “bishop/overseer”—all refer to the same office. The two offices of elder and deacon exist within the local church, not as a hierarchy outside or over the local church. (
1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 20:17-38; Philippians 1:1)

8. Separation of Church and State
God established both the church and the civil government, and He gave each its own distinct sphere of operation. The government’s purposes are outlined in Romans 13:1-7 and the church’s purposes in Matthew 28:19-20. Neither should control the other, nor should there be an alliance between the two. Christians in a free society can properly influence government toward righteousness, which is not the same as a denomination or group of churches controlling the government.
 (Matthew 22:15-22; Acts 15:17-29)

Can be added to, but looks like a great starting point

Please notice nothing on must be pretrin premil. must hold to Kjvo, etc
 

Salty

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From High Point Baptist Church

What Are the Eight Baptist Distinctives?​


These teachings may be remembered by associating them with the letters that form the word BAPTISTS.​


Jesus Fan - there are a lot more than just 8!
and some need more clarification:

Communion - open or closed / how often - weekly, monthly, quarterly, ect
Church leaders - Single pastor or Elder rule
Should women vote in business meetings
What positions is a woman not permitted
Scripture : which version
Local church - is it Biblical for a church to join a denomination
Sabbath - Sat or Sunday
Mission Boards - are they Biblical
Tithe: Is a tithe required in the NT

etc, etc, ect.....
 

John of Japan

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Hmm. Maybe I should have said, "Don't look it up on the Internet or in a book, but just give your own view." :Coffee Dumb me, I didn't think people would be parroting what others thought they were. But I actually did say in the OP: "So, what does it mean to you to be a Baptist? Do you have a list of Baptist distinctives?" I did not say, "Look 'em up and find the best list." :oops:
 
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John of Japan

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Jesus Fan - there are a lot more than just 8!
Actually, 8 is the longest list I've ever seen!
and some need more clarification:

Communion - open or closed / how often - weekly, monthly, quarterly, ect
Not usually called a Baptist distinctive.
Church leaders - Single pastor or Elder rule
To me, elder rule is a departure from the Baptist distinctive of two offices in the local church, pastor and deacon. When a Baptist church adopts elder rule, I begin to doubt their credentials to be Baptist.
Should women vote in business meetings
Definitely not a Baptist distinctive.
What positions is a woman not permitted
This is connected to the two offices Baptist distinctive, but is usually considered a separate argument from the two offices distinctive.
Scripture : which version
Definitely not a Baptist distinctive, though some try to make it so. Until about 1970, this was a total non-issue in all the Baptist churches I know of.
Local church - is it Biblical for a church to join a denomination
This would definitely fit under the distinctive of the autonomy of the local church. Of course, it does depend on how you define "denomination." If there is a headquarters that the church must answer to, the Baptist view has gone out the window.
Sabbath - Sat or Sunday
Mission Boards - are they Biblical
Tithe: Is a tithe required in the NT

etc, etc, ect.....
None of these are considered to be a Baptist distinctive by Baptist theologians and historians.
 

John of Japan

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I recently took a DMin course on Baptist Polity. The textbook was Theologians of the Baptist Tradition, ed. by Timothy George and David S. Dockery (Broadman and Holman, 2001). I happily recommend this to anyone interested in the subject of this thread.
 

Salty

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John, when I first got to Germany, I visited a Baptist church (made up of US military personnel & families.

Well, this church believed that closed communion, women not voting, and a couple of other things they considered Baptist distinctives!

I like the term Heinz 57 Baptists - as there are many differences among Baptists.
John, on another thread, I mentioned that John R. Rice was not a KJO - he was probably a -T or -P (Tradition / Preferred.
Can you give a clarification on that!

John, That book you mentioned sounds very interesting.

So, maybe first we need to understand the definition:
Mr. Webster say: "marking as separate or different : serving to distinguish"

So in the book "Biblical basis for Baptists" by L. Duane Brown, which was listed in the OP - though many Baptist churches do believe those items - there is not complete agreement. Of course there are many other doctrines that we as Baptists will agree and disagree.

And of course it is not just local churches - but many of our Baptists denominations may see various beliefs.
I like the term Heinz 57 Baptists - as there are many differences among Baptists.
 

John of Japan

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I get the "Heinz 57" thing, believe me!

Don't have much time to say more--the wife is about to pick me up. But I'll check out the Rice thing if I can find it.
 

JonC

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I'd narrow it to one - Believers baptism.

The reason is "believers" implies Christian and "baptism" implies "by immersion".

The reason I'd narrow it to one is that "Baptist" is not a denomination. I'd leave the other "Baptist essentials" to each Baptist denomination. It is, perhaps, applying "soul liberty" to each local church body.

I did think about adding "fried chicken, collard greens and sweet tea", but I figured Baptists should be able to observe the Lord's Supper as they see fit.
 

37818

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From the Trail of Blood booklet.

1. A spiritual Church, Christ its founder, its only head and law giver.

2. Its ordinances, only two, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. They are typical and memorial, not saving.

3. Its officers, only two, bishops or pastors and deacons; they are servants of the church.

4. Its Government, a pure Democracy, and that executive only, never legislative.

5. Its laws and doctrines: The New Testament and that only.

6. Its members. Believers only, they saved by grace, not works, through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit.

7. Its requirements. Believers on entering the church to be baptized, that by immersion, then obedience and loyalty to all New Testament laws.

8. The various churches -- separate and independent in their execution of laws and discipline and in their responsibilities to God--but cooperative in work.

9. Complete separation of Church and State.

10. Absolute Religious liberty for all. Partial list of books used in preparing lectures on

From the Trail of Blood booklet.

"MARKS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH"

Its Head and Founder--CHRIST. He is the law-giver; the Church is only the executive. (Matt. 16:18; Col. 1:18)

Its only rule of faith and practice--THE BIBLE. (II Tim. 3:15-17)

Its name--"CHURCH," "CHURCHES." (Matt. 16:18; Rev. 22:16)

Its polity--CONGREGATIONAL--all members equal. (Matt. 20:24-28; Matt. 23:5-12)


Its members--only saved people. (Eph. 2:21; I Peter 2:5)

Its ordinances--BELIEVERS' BAPTISM, FOLLOWED BY THE LORD'S SUPPER. (Matt. 28:19-20) Its officers--PASTORS AND DEACONS. (I Tim. 3:1-16)

Its work--getting folks saved, baptizing them (with a baptism that meets all the requirements of God's Word), teaching them ("to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you"). (Matt. 28:16-20)

Its financial plan--"Even so (TITHES and OFFERINGS) hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel," (I Cor. 9:14)

Its weapons of warfare--spiritual, not carnal. (II Cor. 10:4; Eph. 6:10-20)

Its independence--separation of Church and State. (Matt. 22:21)
 

David Lamb

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Jesus Fan - there are a lot more than just 8!
and some need more clarification:

Communion - open or closed / how often - weekly, monthly, quarterly, ect
Church leaders - Single pastor or Elder rule
Should women vote in business meetings
What positions is a woman not permitted
Scripture : which version
Local church - is it Biblical for a church to join a denomination
Sabbath - Sat or Sunday
Mission Boards - are they Biblical
Tithe: Is a tithe required in the NT

etc, etc, ect.....
I don't see any of those as being Baptist distinctives. Indeed they are all matters on which Baptists/Baptist churches differ. Some Baptists believe in open communion, some closed. Some have a single elder, others have a plurality of elders, some use the KJV, some use NKJV, some use ESV, and so on. They are all still Baptists.
 

Salty

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Exactly, Immersion is distinctive to most,(but not only to Baptists), yet there are difference as to the way it is done.
As you know, a few Baptists will accept sprinkling.


So, if some Baptists will accept sprinkling - is immersion no long a distinctive.
 

John of Japan

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From the Trail of Blood booklet.

1. A spiritual Church, Christ its founder, its only head and law giver.

2. Its ordinances, only two, Baptism and the Lord's Supper. They are typical and memorial, not saving.

3. Its officers, only two, bishops or pastors and deacons; they are servants of the church.

4. Its Government, a pure Democracy, and that executive only, never legislative.

5. Its laws and doctrines: The New Testament and that only.

6. Its members. Believers only, they saved by grace, not works, through the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit.

7. Its requirements. Believers on entering the church to be baptized, that by immersion, then obedience and loyalty to all New Testament laws.

8. The various churches -- separate and independent in their execution of laws and discipline and in their responsibilities to God--but cooperative in work.

9. Complete separation of Church and State.

10. Absolute Religious liberty for all. Partial list of books used in preparing lectures on
Do you agree with all of these? That's what I'm asking with this thread, not what others say, but what you believe they should be.
 

John of Japan

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John, when I first got to Germany, I visited a Baptist church (made up of US military personnel & families.

Well, this church believed that closed communion, women not voting, and a couple of other things they considered Baptist distinctives!

I like the term Heinz 57 Baptists - as there are many differences among Baptists.
John, on another thread, I mentioned that John R. Rice was not a KJO - he was probably a -T or -P (Tradition / Preferred.
Can you give a clarification on that!

John, That book you mentioned sounds very interesting.

So, maybe first we need to understand the definition:
Mr. Webster say: "marking as separate or different : serving to distinguish"

So in the book "Biblical basis for Baptists" by L. Duane Brown, which was listed in the OP - though many Baptist churches do believe those items - there is not complete agreement. Of course there are many other doctrines that we as Baptists will agree and disagree.

And of course it is not just local churches - but many of our Baptists denominations may see various beliefs.
I like the term Heinz 57 Baptists - as there are many differences among Baptists.
Salty, don't you have some connection to Maranatha? Remember the BRAPSIS list of Dr. Richard Weeks?
 

John of Japan

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Another list out there uses the word BAPTIST for a 7 point list of the distinctives.
I'd narrow it to one - Believers baptism.

The reason is "believers" implies Christian and "baptism" implies "by immersion".

The reason I'd narrow it to one is that "Baptist" is not a denomination. I'd leave the other "Baptist essentials" to each Baptist denomination. It is, perhaps, applying "soul liberty" to each local church body.

I did think about adding "fried chicken, collard greens and sweet tea", but I figured Baptists should be able to observe the Lord's Supper as they see fit.
So then, a saved Greek Orthodox guy could be a Baptist? Or a Church of Christ guy who didn't believe their baptismal regeneration? Or a Paulician from many hundreds of years ago?? (Just askin'! ;))
 

JonC

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Another list out there uses the word BAPTIST for a 7 point list of the distinctives.

So then, a saved Greek Orthodox guy could be a Baptist? Or a Church of Christ guy who didn't believe their baptismal regeneration? Or a Paulician from many hundreds of years ago?? (Just askin'! ;))
If the guy believed in "believers baptism" I'd put him in that category.

I wouldn't classify the Paulicians as Christian, so no there.

For the CoC one, I need to clarify that by "believers" I mean "saved". So no, the CoC wouldn't be baptist as they view baptism as the means by which we are saved.


To show what I mean, I'd say Anabaptists were Baptists, but all Baotists are not Anabaptist (they jad more distinctives).

Ideally I'd lust 8 because there are 8 letters in Baptists (obviously God planned it that way).

Seriously, though, ideally I would list the 7 many have listed. But today the Baptist landscape has changed

Today we have Baotist churches where the local church falls under the governance of a parent church.
We have Baptist churches who have elder rule.
We have Baptist churches that insist on Cslvinism rather than allowing "soul liberty".
We have Baptist churches that insist on one translation of Scripture.

The term "Baptist" has always been an broad description, but it seems to have widened a bit over time.

Here is my list (what I believe should be the Baptist distinctive)

1. Believer's baptism by immersion
2. Autonomy of the local church
3. Congressional governance (not elder rule)
4. Individual soul liberty
5. Separation of church and state


But given our landscape, I'd stick with #1.

The reason I exclude 2 ordinances is I believe is I believe it should be up to the congregation (some Baptist churches practice foot washing, others baby dedication involving commitment of the congregation, for example).

I wouldn't include 2 offices because, again, Id leave this to the congregation to develop offices to meet their needs as the congregation grows and reaches out with the gospel.

I do believe saved church membership is necessary, but I believe this is implied in "church".
 

Salty

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Salty, don't you have some connection to Maranatha? Remember the BRAPSIS list of Dr. Richard Weeks?

No, I do not - There is a Richard Teachout - but he ma have went to BBC of Johnston City,
His Grandson, Jonathan went top Piedmont, and currently is a missionary in Canada.
I have had lunch with both of them, as well as Jonathan father, when he was in France!
 
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