Doctrines out of context

Agreed, here.

Ed

 

I agree as to the current 'populist' 'Left Behind' genre. But I also agree with the basic outlines as found in the Scofield notes, and the ideas of Ryrie, more than Lahaye, who has written to 'sound' contemporary.

Ed

 

I would ask about "Praying the sinner's prayer" to be saved, but don't even find any verse that really suggests such. The oft cited verse says literally, "God, you be the mercy-seat blood-covering for me, the sinner!"

The word rendered "merciful" (KJV) is literally propitiated, and the definition is the above underlined words.

Ed

 

Not sure if I'm exactly on the right track, but what about using I John 1:9, and a couple of more verses, to imply one has to confess their sins before they can be saved? The good old "ABC" of salvation - Ask, Believe and Confess! Then you can be saved!

Now that is a false doctrine, in "Spades".

Ed

 

Actually, I've heard 'admit' as well, but not anywhere near as often as "ask", which was why I cited this. May be just the ones whom I have heard, say this more, actually.

Ed

 

Matthew 24:27 (KJV1611 Edition):

For as the lightening commeth out of the East,
and shineth euen vnto the West: so shall also
the coming of the Sonne of man be.

This is a similie, 'as' is the clue.
A similie is a figure of speach.
Jesus is saying that when He comes back
EVERYBODY WILL KNOW IT.

Yet a Christian burial has a person lying on their
back with the head at the west. That way when
The Lord Returns, they will be resurrecteed
sitting up facing the East.

 

Wrong church

 

I wonder how long they will be facing east? A twinkle isn't long enough to see much.

 

Sorry, I'm not part of the "socially elite", so my answer is no.

 

Oh, NO! I must be a resident now,Brother Ed and I agree!

GLORY!

.........in context of course.:godisgood:

 

Thank you for your long explanation? lol

Really, I do not have a clue to what you are talking about. Would you care to explain it so the rest of us may know the truth?

In my hermeneutics class this was shown to be in the context of church discipline. Please correct me?

 

Me too! The Bible definitely teaches from a pretribulational and premillinnial viewpoint. When scripture is taken in its entirety that is the only position we can arrive at honestly.

It is strange you haven't read of the pretribulational and premillennial rapture yet, IFB Mole. And here I thought I fall behind in Bible reading sometimes.

 

You still fall for that fable, don't you Salamander? No, verses 6 and 7 do not go together. Verse 6 is an aside while verse 7 goes back to the originl subject of the psalm - people. The view you follow is a disharmony of Scripture in this instance. I love the complete harmony of God's word, but apparently you are more than a little confused about what is and what isn't harmonious in Psalm 12.

 

Don't think I'd like that. I'm a westerner all the way.

 

Amen, Brother Webdog -- Preach it! :thumbs:

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Pretrib pre-mill outline of time forward:

0. church age continues <== you are here!
1. rapture/resurrection event
2. Tribulation time
3. Second Advent of Jesus event
4. literal MK=millennial kingdom
5. new heaven & new earth

The time line according to Matthew 24
(Mount Olivet Discourse, also Matthew 25,
Mark 13, Luke 21):

0. church age continues <== you are here!
Matthew 24:4-15

1. rapture/resurrection event
Matthew 24:31-44

2. Tribulation time
Matthew 24:21-28

3. Second Advent of Jesus event
Matthew 24:29-30)

Not mentioned in Matthew 24:
(4. literal MK=millennial kingdom)
(5. new heaven & new earth)

The time line according to Revelation:

0. church age continues - Rev 2-3 <== you are here!
1. rapture/resurrection event - Rev 4:1 (type)
2. Tribulation time - Rev 4:2-19:10
3. Second Advent of Jesus event - Rev 19:11-21
4. literal MK=millennial kingdom - Rev 20:1-6
5. new heaven & new earth - Rev 20:7-22:5

The time line according to 2 Thessalonians 2:

0. church age continues <== you are here!
(implied, until the falling away)

1. rapture/resurrection
v.1 - gathering together unto him
v.3 - falling away

2. Tribulation time
(time of the man of sin)

3. Second Advent of Jesus event
v.1 - coming of our Lord Jesus Christ
v.8

Not mentioned:
(4. literal MK=millennial kingdom)
(5. new heaven & new earth)

BTW, I believed in the pre-tribulation rapture/resurrection
before i saw these three scriptures as pretrib.
(strangely, Darby & Schofield don't teach these
at pretribulation rapture verses)
So even if you can prove all three of these scriptures
in error, I'll still hope in the pre-tribulation rapture
as will 80% of Baptists and 60% of kindred Christians.

 

Ed Ed's Doctrine of Resurrection out of Context

Ed Edwards,

Your view of the Resurrection occurring at Rev.4:1 (but in type only) is a clear case of inserting the time for the Resurrection OUT OF CONTEXT.

Quote:
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The time line according to Revelation:

0. church age continues - Rev 2-3 <== you are here!
1. rapture/resurrection event - Rev 4:1 (type)
2. Tribulation time - Rev 4:2-19:10
3. Second Advent of Jesus event - Rev 19:11-21
4. literal MK=millennial kingdom - Rev 20:1-6
5. new heaven & new earth - Rev 20:7-22:5
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You totally ignore the "appointed time for judging the dead" which requires the Resurrection at the 7th Trumpet! Rev.11:18.

You totally ignore the "appointed time for rewarding the prophets and saints and all who fear God, both small and great" as of the 7th Trumpet!!

Like Pastor Larry (and Ed Sutton), you build your doctrine of a pre-trib
rapture on (unmentioned) texts that are taken OUT OF CONTEXT... because neither of you agrees with Rev.11:18 that the "appointed (kairos) time" to Judge the Dead requires the Resurrection of the Prophets and Saints on "one of the days after the end of the great tribulation"!!!

Jesus taught in John 6:38-40 and Mark 13:24-27 that He will "raise up every believer on the last day and He will gather the elect from earth to the sky" (Holman Bible endorsed by Lifeway; Note Jesus adds this will occur "in the days after the great tribulation")!

Revelation teaches what you have ignored: that the Resurrection will occur at the 7th Trumpet after "time shall be no longer and God's Mystery was finished" (Past Tense for "was finished)"!! Rev.10:6-7.

There could be no more certainty for the time of Resurrection than the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Jesus reveals thru the angel that the "first resurrection" will include every believer (to the last martyr; Rev.20:4-6) and that it will occur "on one of the days after time shall no longer" be subject to a countdown..."in the days whenever the 7th Trumpet is about to sound"!!! Rev.10:6-7; Rev.11:18; Rev.20:4-6.

Mel Miller

 

Hermeneutics I believe should include when something is said, and to whom it is said, and what church is in existence at that time. Jesus is speaking to His people, about the "Kingdom Church" that will come, and it is at hand. Only one foundation was being laid on the foundation of Jesus Christ, He being the cornerstone, and Peter and the other Apostles were building on that foundation. There is another to come, viz. the Body Church. This Church was not known at this time, for it was hidden in God until the appropriate time for His purpose to be accomplished.

Today we are indwelled with the Holy Spirit and in the Bridegroom, and I agree it is Church Doctrine as our bodies are Temples.

 

Careful there, Mel. You haven't heard me defend my doctrine so you don't know whether I take Scripture out of context or not. The pretrib position has solid scriptural support, but not everyone uses the same arguments. There are some pretrib arguments that I reject.