Doctrines out of context

Likewise, Larry! And I use some 'arguments' that others may not, as well. Dispensationalism is taught in Scriptures, and dispensation (okonomia) is a Biblical Word, and used several times. I have yet to find 'Darbyism' or 'Scofieldism' or 'Larkinism' anywhere in Scripture.

FTR, I simply do not have enough time to get into long debates with Mel Miller, but I enjoy reading his posts, both those with which I agree and those where I do not agree.

Mel, don't assume too much, in absentia, especially as to my own understanding and comprehending the Book of Revelation. It might not equal yours, but I honestly think I basically know more about it that your average bear.

Ed

 

Many people have used Noah's curse of Ham as justification for racism, assuming (among many things) that because it is found in scripture the curse is from God rather than Noah.

 

Phil 1:6 is often interpreted as a promise rather than within the context of a prayer.

 

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Pastor Larry,

I'm sorry! Please accept my sincere apology for assuming you build the
pre-trib rapture doctrine on texts you have not yet mentioned!! I really
goofed this time!!!

Mel

 

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Dear Ed Sutton,

OK, I renege on my charge that you base your pre-trib rapture doctrine
on Scripture texts "taken out of context" that you have not mentioned. You are indeed the "Language Cop" and deserve respect for your views.

I can't remember if you answered my question back in August regarding
the Order of Endtime Events that I had presented. Here is what I wrote:

Ed Sutton,

"I like your response because it recognizes the Book of Life has our names written therein from the foundation of the world ... whereas Ituttut rejects this wonderful truth, i.e.:

Ituttut's Quote:
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"The Lamb is from the beginning, as is the Book having no entries at the foundation of the world".
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"Ituttut departs from the evangelical belief that our names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world. This is why I cannot carry on a sensible discussion with him.

"And Ed, I like your quote because it recognizes a HALF POINT in favor of
the Tribulation Martyrs being the Elect who refuse to worship the Beast... the very ones who will "serve God as Pillars in heaven's temple for 1000 years...while those who survive to the END will reign over the earth".
Rev.7:14-17; Rev.20:4-5; Rev.3:12 (Pillars in the Temple); Rev.2:25-26.

"My friend, would you consider it another HALF POINT if we should be among the `Elect gathered together above and out of the 4 winds from all the heavens' extremities on one of the days after the great tribulation'?
(This quote includes Matt.24:31 and Matt.24:29 after Jesus `gathers
the Elect from earth to heaven' in the same Day/Hour as Mark 13:24-27).

"The trump card here is that the Elect are `gathered together above and out of the 4 winds' at the third sound of the great trumpet...the LAST TRUMP of I Cor.15:52. Matt.24:31. I don't find any other place for the Last Trump to sound after these Angels finish `gathering the Elect unto Jesus at the Synagogue' in the Sky...while the tribes of earth `mourn'".
2 Thes.2:1.

Though you don't care to enter into a lengthy discussion, do you think
it possible that Mark 13:27, Matt.24:31 and 2 Thes.2:1 could occur on
the very Day and in the very Hour that Jesus comes with all the "called,
elect and faithful"? Rev.17:14; I Thes.3:13. Or have I taken any of these
texts "out of context"? I'm hoping for that other "HALF POINT".

MEL

 

Mel Miller: //You totally ignore the "appointed time for judging the dead" which requires the Resurrection at the 7th Trumpet! Rev.11:18.//

In my breakdown of item #4: physical & earthly MK = MIllinnial Messanic
Kingdom, you will find the Resurrection of the ungodly.

Mel Miller: /You totally ignore the "appointed time for
rewarding the prophets and saints and all who
fear God, both small and great" as of the 7th Trumpet!!//

Feel welcome to rewrite some Figures of Speech into
literal prophecies.

 

Okonomia is often translated management of a household; task, work, responsibility; (divine) plan. It is used 9 times in the Greek NT whereas dispensation is used

In the KJV it is translated fellowship, dispensation, stewardship, and edifying.

 

Mel, are you sure you are not again misquoting what people say? I don't remember using those exact words in speaking of the "tribulation period", of which I stand by Revelation 13:8, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Mel you know I don't believe what you are saying. I contend we in the Body Church will not go through the great tribulation, and while interesting to study, the tribulation is not as great concern to me as you, for you can see yourself in the tribulation. I cannot find in my faith that I will do the same. There is the Book of Adam, and there is the Book of Jesus Christ. I am in the Body of Christ, so I'll be where He is, and that's good enough for me.

I'm sorry if you do not agree with Revelation 13:8.

 

Doctrines Taken out of Context

Ituttut once again corrects me:

Quote:
Mel, are you sure you are not again misquoting what people say? I don't remember using those exact words in speaking of the "tribulation period", of which I stand by Revelation 13:8, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Mel you know I don't believe what you are saying. I contend we in the Body Church will not go through the great tribulation, and while interesting to study, the tribulation is not as great concern to me as you, for you can see yourself in the tribulation. I cannot find in my faith that I will do the same. There is the Book of Adam, and there is the Book of Jesus Christ. I am in the Body of Christ, so I'll be where He is, and that's good enough for me.

I'm sorry if you do not agree with Revelation 13:8.
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Ituttut,

In Sept., 2006, you ended our discussion on the Order of Events in the Book of Revelation with the following remarks:

"Then let this be the end, after I answer your `swan song' showing His Word defeated you. Just as long as He knows what He is talking about is what matters, and we'll know in that day that He did know what He was talking about. So-Long my friend, and good luck in the Tribulation. Bye"
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Ituttut:
Your view: "We in the Body of Christ are not involved in `prophecy'". 9/11/06

Why do you think I "don't agree with Rev.13:8"? Why did you omit that
Rev.17:8 states what Rev.13:8 does not say?? Why not admit that "all
those whose names were written in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world will NOT worship the Beast"???
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The obvious explanation is that you do not believe ALL those whose names have been written in the Lamb's Book of Life belong to the Body of Christ (Body Church as you call it)! You believe those saved during the great tribulation will NOT be members of the Body Church since you claim "the Church is not involved in prophecy"!! The best you do for Tribulation Martyrs is to claim they will belong to a so-called "Kingdom Church"!!!

Great Tribulation Martyrs will win the highest reward obtainable by the Church! They will "serve God as Pillars in the temple of Heaven for 1000
years and be shepherded by the Lamb"!! I might become one of them; but
you can't if the "Body Church is not in prophecy"!!! Rev.3:12; Rev.7:4-17;
Rev.20:4-6.

You actually contradict youself by admitting the name of every Tribulation Saint "was written (perfect indicative; past tense with eternal results) in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world". I doubt you will
admit this wonderful truth concerning Tribulation Saints who will either:

#1: "Overcome to the End and rule with Christ over nations on earth"!

OR BECOME GREAT TRIBULATION MARTYRS AND

#2 "Serve God as Pillars in the Temple of heaven for 1000 years"!!

In either case, #1 refers to the "Body Church" according to Rev.2:25-26
and #2 refers to those who "die in the Lord" and reap the reward offered to the CHURCH in Rev.3:12 AND won by the Martyrs according to Rev.14:13, Rev.7:15-17 and Rev.20:4-6!!!

These references are prophetic! They are addressed to the members of the Body of Christ!! "Every one of their names has been written in the Lamb's Book of Life from the foundation of the world"!!!

Mel