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Does Bible say that Gospel requires Creationism?

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Danny Hurley

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1 JOHN 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son 10: He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself; he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his son. 11. and this is, the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this is iin his Son.
 
BobRyan

BobRyan

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Alcott said:
You believe the book of Revelation, do you? Or just some of it? ...
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All of it.

It is Apocalyptic literature. Genesis is not. Colossians is not. John 1 is not. LAW is not apocalyptic. The Ten commandments are not apocalyptic or symbolic. "FOR IN SIX days the Lord MADE the heavens and the earth the sea and all that is in them".

All your dancing around on this is not helping your case at all because "the facts remain" that you keep trying to duck.

Apocalyptic literature uses symbols "at times" so you can not discount all of it as "symbol" neither can you mindlessly assume "there are no symbols in apocalyptic literature".

There are rules - for example in Rev 12 we are told specifically in the chapter that the "dragon" described there is in fact "satan" and that he is also the "serpent of old" the serpent in the garden of Eden.

In Rev 17 we are told that the symbol of waters "represents tribes and people, nations and languages".

In Dan 8 we are told that the Ram represents the kingdom of the Medes and the Persians and the Goat represents the kingdom of Greece.

Your notion that "you get to make up anything you want when you read the Bible so that it fits eovlutionsm no matter what the text actually says" is dead wrong.

In Christ,

Bob
 
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Alcott

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BobRyan said:
Your notion that "you get to make up anything you want when you read the Bible so that it fits eovlutionsm no matter what the text actually says" is dead wrong.
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That is a false accusation, [edit]. If not, cite where I made such a quote-- you did put quotation marks around that statement and attributed it to me.

And you refused to answer Yes or No to my question; the obvious conclusion already referred to.

[Please refrain from name-calling
DHK]
 
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Revmitchell

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go2church said:
If any of the bible is false, then none of it is true.


That may sound good while waving your bible around and pounding the pulpit, but it doesn't hold up to serious thinking.

The Gospel is an all or nothing proposition, but the bible isn't, because not every page of the bible is directly presenting the Gospel. So in theory it can have "false" portions and still be presenting accurately the Gospel.

So to answer your question, no, the bible doesn't require creationism
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Did you attend the NBC?

The Bible is about Christ.

Luke 24:27 Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures.
44 Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."

Christ created all things.

Col 1:16 - For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.
The Genesis account of creation is accurate as validated by Christ. To say scripture is about anything other than Christ is to spue more BGCT false gospels.
 
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Revmitchell

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Alcott said:
If any of the bible is false, then none of it is true....



Then is it true or false that a certain rich man, who refused to help a poor beggar named Lazarus, was and is alive in a flame in torment and was (perhaps is) having a conversation with Abraham?
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The creeation account is not a parable.
 
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donnA

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Alcott said:
Yeah. So?
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Which means it is 100% true. And opinons saying otherwise are 100% false.
I'll take God's word on it over man's anyday.

God is the creator, of all things, to say otherwise is a distortion of who He is.
 
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EdSutton

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BobRyan said:
Your argument is that Moses is writing in parables "Because Christians arguing in favor of atheist darwinism NEED that to be the case"???

Are you arguing that I am placing certain portions of scripture in parables only because "I need them to be parables" so in that case anyone wanting to promote evolutionism should be able to argue that John 1:1-4 is a parable, that Rev 14:6-7 is a parable that Col 1:15-16 is a parable and so is any other reference to the factual data of Genesis by NT authors?

You seem to be saying "we will select anything we want to be a parable - all in service for evolutionism -- just like everyone else is doing in service to their pet theories" -- but do you really think this is how "parables" are known????

Your problem is then is that you have supposed that the Bible is more "toy" than scripture and that everyone is simply "making stuff up as it pleases them" one of those things being "what is a parable and what is not".

in that case - have you ever heard of "exegesis"????

Hint - these are not "parables" -

How do you read these texts?

Christ as Creator is the foundation stone of the Gospel of John

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.


The Scope and domain of the Creator – is the scope of the Gospel solution.

Col 1

Speaking of Christ - ( see vs 15)
16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
19For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.


Worship is the duty of mankind toward our creator - according to the "everlasting gospel" message of Rev 14

Rev 14:6-7
6And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people;
7and he said with a loud voice, "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."


in Christ,

Bob
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FTR, the account of the rich man and Lazarus in Lk. 16 is not identified as a parable.

Ed
 
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EdSutton

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BobRyan said:
Have you seen this guy's teaching before?

http://freehovind.com/watch-4308235066145651150
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With all respect, bringing up this video is an example of an attempt to hit someone with a
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Ed
 
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trustitl

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Hey Alcott,

trustitl said:
I'll come to the shrimp fest and see if I can convince you have a flawed view of scripture.:smilewinkgrin:
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I like shrimp and chardonnay, but I am starting to wonder if I could enjoy it with you.:confused:

"That is a false accusation, you liar"
"Yeah. So?"
"If you're a coward, you will paste a lot more of your junk."

Your not playing very nicely.:mad:

What exactly are you trying to get at about this subject?
 
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EdSutton

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Alcott said:
You believe the book of Revelation, do you? Or just some of it? ...

When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained;
and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been, would be completed also. [Revelation 6:9-11]

Yes or No --- Are the souls of those slain because of the word of God underneath the altar asking when their blood will be avenged?
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I'll opine on this question. The answer is "No!", currently. But they will be in the future, as this is, I believe, future and refers to a time during the tribulation period that is yet to happen during the time of the Anti-Christ, when this actually will occur.

If you're a coward, you will paste a lot more of your junk. If you're not a coward, you will answer Yes or No. [and the drum rolls]
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Is the attitude portrayed in this last part really necessary?

Ed
 
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Magnetic Poles

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John 3:16, BB Version: For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him, and in a young earth and special creation, and doesn't drink any alcohol, and opposes all abortion, and anything else we can add, shall have everlasting life.
 
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