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Does Church of Rome Hold the The True Gospel?

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Walter

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Jesus did not mean ot to be His literal bllod and body![/QUOT

Despite His statement and St. Paul's statement which says EXACTLY that. The early church believed that it was the literal body and blood of Christ clearly evidenced by the writings of the early church. No Baptistic view ever recorded that supports your heresy.
 

Yeshua1

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Yes, I know. Just because you have switched and now embrace an alternate version of the Christian experience does not mean you are now right.

I look at people like former Protestant Pastor Dr. Scott Hahn and Dr. David Anders, himself a former Calvinist, who both now embrace wholeheartedly the One Holy Catholic faith tradition. Their apologetics are top rate and further reinforce my Christian journey as part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
They ahve decided to go back and join the Apiostate Whore of babylon!
 

church mouse guy

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John 6:52 (KJV) The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?
 

HankD

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Yes, I know. Just because you have switched and now embrace an alternate version of the Christian experience does not mean you are now right.

I look at people like former Protestant Pastor Dr. Scott Hahn and Dr. David Anders, himself a former Calvinist, who both now embrace wholeheartedly the One Holy Catholic faith tradition. Their apologetics are top rate and further reinforce my Christian journey as part of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
Yes that is a human right assuming its allowed by one's government.

Its been about 54 years since I separated from my former church.
FWIW, I am impressed by the some of the advances made by the RCC.
 

Yeshua1

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Yes that is a human right assuming its allowed by one's government.

Its been about 54 years since I separated from my former church.
FWIW, I am impressed by the some of the advances made by the RCC.
Too bad they have not had a reformation on their theology!
 

church mouse guy

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Yes, they kept seeing in physical terms what Jesus meant to be spiritual!

They are claiming that Baptist theologians have never challenged transubstantiation but they have. It is a doctrine exclusive to Catholicism, as you know. What's more, the Jews themselves questioned Jesus about cannibalism. So they have a refutation of transubstantiation that is two thousand years old that they do not discuss. Bad hermeneutics!
 

HankD

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Too bad they have not had a reformation on their theology!
Well, that is difficult to discern given that the Jesuits fabricate (for the most part) the "theology" disseminated to the "separated brethren" (I know having been under their tutelage for a couple of years). A phenomena of Orwellian practices (long before his time BTW).

The best and most truthful source of RC doctrine is found in the Catechisms for children and young people (First Holy Communion through Confirmation).

And when I say "truthful" in the above sentence, that means - as applied to οἱ πολλοὶ (The masses of humanity) and what they want them to believe.
 

Yeshua1

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Well, that is difficult to discern given that the Jesuits fabricate (for the most part) the "theology" disseminated to the "separated brethren" (I know having been under their tutelage for a couple of years). A phenomena of Orwellian practices (long before his time BTW).

The best and most truthful source of RC doctrine is found in the Catechisms for children and young people (First Holy Communion through Confirmation).

And when I say "truthful" in the above sentence, that means - as applied to οἱ πολλοὶ (The masses of humanity) and what they want them to believe.
I wonder how many of the priests, much less tha Laity, actually knows what Trent taught?
 

HankD

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I wonder how many of the priests, much less tha Laity, actually knows what Trent taught?
Oh the priesthood knows as well as Vatican II - very important.

The laity are for the most part in the dark.
 

Adonia

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They are claiming that Baptist theologians have never challenged transubstantiation but they have. It is a doctrine exclusive to Catholicism, as you know. What's more, the Jews themselves questioned Jesus about cannibalism. So they have a refutation of transubstantiation that is two thousand years old that they do not discuss. Bad hermeneutics!

Funny how the early Bishop's of the Church are in line with Catholic teaching on this. Oops, my mistake, it's the other way around - Catholic teaching of today is in line with what the early Bishop's (Early Church Fathers) believed and taught to the faithful. As being exclusive to Catholicism this is not true as our Eastern Orthodox brethren believe the same thing, except they just call the process a "mystery".

Yes, the Jews themselves questioned Jesus about eating His body and blood and the Scriptures say they went away from Him.
 

Adonia

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it ONLY matters what the Bible itself teache son this issue!

No it doesn't, it matters what the proper interpretation of it by those who hold authority in the One Universal Christian Church says on this issue. Your interpretation didn't come about until well after the 16th century.
 

church mouse guy

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Funny how the early Bishop's of the Church are in line with Catholic teaching on this. Oops, my mistake, it's the other way around - Catholic teaching of today is in line with what the early Bishop's (Early Church Fathers) believed and taught to the faithful. As being exclusive to Catholicism this is not true as our Eastern Orthodox brethren believe the same thing, except they just call the process a "mystery".

Yes, the Jews themselves questioned Jesus about eating His body and blood and the Scriptures say they went away from Him.

Thanks for the correction about the Orthodox. Of course, cannibalism is abhorrent to Jews, and so the language is not literal.
 

Adonia

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Thanks for the correction about the Orthodox. Of course, cannibalism is abhorrent to Jews, and so the language is not literal.

But of course the Eastern Orthodox do indeed believe in the "Real Presence" of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist just like us Catholics do, this truth has nothing to do with the Jews of biblical times. Th "Real Presence" means the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ exists within the Eucharist. Some cannot accept this reality and that is their loss.
 

HankD

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But of course the Eastern Orthodox do indeed believe in the "Real Presence" of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist just like us Catholics do, this truth has nothing to do with the Jews of biblical times. Th "Real Presence" means the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ exists within the Eucharist. Some cannot accept this reality and that is their loss.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 

Yeshua1

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No it doesn't, it matters what the proper interpretation of it by those who hold authority in the One Universal Christian Church says on this issue. Your interpretation didn't come about until well after the 16th century.
The Reformed view on salvation was what Jesus and the Apsotles held with, as the scriptures themselves were where the reformers rediscovered the truths of the real Gospel. They were catholics who taught and held to it, like John Hess, who ended up being burnt at the stake for holding to it. Rome does NOT have supreme authority to interpret the scriptures, as that is the work of the Holy Spirit to each Christian!
 

Yeshua1

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But of course the Eastern Orthodox do indeed believe in the "Real Presence" of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist just like us Catholics do, this truth has nothing to do with the Jews of biblical times. Th "Real Presence" means the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ exists within the Eucharist. Some cannot accept this reality and that is their loss.
I cannot accept the Mass, as it denies that Jesus death was a once and forever atonement for sins!
 

church mouse guy

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But of course the Eastern Orthodox do indeed believe in the "Real Presence" of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist just like us Catholics do, this truth has nothing to do with the Jews of biblical times. Th "Real Presence" means the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ exists within the Eucharist. Some cannot accept this reality and that is their loss.

I know that you think that you are drinking blood, etc, but it is still wine poured into the cup and drank by you, etc.
 
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