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Does Evolution Make Christians?

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Aaron

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I cannot accept or believe your charge that lots of people leave the church because of Biblical Creation. In my some 22 years of working in this ministry (with probably a lot more firsthand experience than yourself, respectfully—at least hundreds of people in different churches every single month), I have never met a single individual who came to Christ because he ‘discovered’ he could reconcile evolution with the Bible. Of course, there might be some, but we are drawing comparisons here. By contrast, we have received thousands of testimonies over the years from people who became Christians because they came to understand that the alleged science of evolution is nothing of the sort.
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JohnDBaptiste

JohnDBaptiste

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The thing that strikes me today is that it is more apparent than ever macro-evolution is a religion requiring blind faith in opposition to all the science that proved macro-evolution wrong / invalid / impossible.

In short, they are guilty of what they accused Christians of blind faith in a religion. Only their is disproved. Christianity (creationism) was only disagreed with.

And if evolutionists and anti-God proponents were not so deeply entrenched in the media and the education system they would have been laughed right out of the public square.

I.C.R. was right!

Institute for Creation Research.

www.icr.org
 
Benjamin

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Aaron said:
In my some 22 years of working in this ministry (with probably a lot more firsthand experience than yourself, respectfully—at least hundreds of people in different churches every single month), I have never met a single individual who came to Christ because he ‘discovered’ he could reconcile evolution with the Bible.
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Hmm, that's weird, because I have met a score of people who if/when a conversation gets down to the heart of the matter concerning the reasoning they give that they have difficulty accepting the Bible as truth evolution would be at the top of their list. I would consider it (evolution) to be one of the Devil's major tools used to cast doubt on the "inspiration of the Word" - which also goes hand in hand at the top of the list of why some struggle with faith because as they will say, "man wrote the Bible" in the same breath as they bring up evolution.

Don't believe me ask a non-believer or seeker sometime why they trouble accepting the Bible as truth and see what you get...
 
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Bronconagurski

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Benjamin said:
Hmm, that's weird, because I have met a score of people who if/when a conversation gets down to the heart of the matter concerning the reasoning they give that they have difficulty accepting the Bible as truth evolution would be at the top of their list. I would consider it (evolution) to be one of the Devil's major tools used to cast doubt on the "inspiration of the Word" - which also goes hand in hand at the top of the list of why some struggle with faith because as they will say, "man wrote the Bible" in the same breath as they bring up evolution.

Don't believe me ask a non-believer or seeker sometime why they trouble accepting the Bible as truth and see what you get...
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The answer I get the most is that the bible was written by men and they emebellished things. I also hear that the bible is no better than any other religion's book as they were all written by men. I counter with yes, but the bible is the only one (that I know of) that claims inspiration from God.
 
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quantumfaith

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One simple statement. If you deny that evolution occurs, then you are simply denying clearly observable facts. Facts of nature, God's created nature.
 
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Aaron

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quantumfaith said:
One simple statement. If you deny that evolution occurs, then you are simply denying clearly observable facts. Facts of nature, God's created nature.
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It's not so simple as you would suppose. Please define "evolution" for us as the word is used in your statement.
 
InTheLight

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I cannot accept or believe your charge that lots of people leave the church because of Biblical Creation.

In my some 22 years of working in this ministry (with probably a lot more firsthand experience than yourself, respectfully—at least hundreds of people in different churches every single month), I have never met a single individual who came to Christ because he ‘discovered’ he could reconcile evolution with the Bible.


Battle of the personal anecdotes! Awesomely objective data!
 
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MB

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Aaron said:
Please define "evolution."
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My definition;
Eviloution !
It is nothing more than tired scientist who have grown tired of looking for the elusive missing link they will never find because it does not exist. So they all got together in there rocking chairs and decided together to simply state evilution as fact with out the facts. So they pesent what they claim are facts which in reality is nothing more than old dead bones they can't extract DNA from and claimed the missing link has been found. They simply have done this to save face instead of admitting they are defeated by there own lies. Not to mention simple math proves the world isn't old enough for evolution to exist. For instance if the world was 150,000,000 years old the world would be so populated there would not be enough room on the planet to be stood on.
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just-want-peace

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quantumfaith said:
One simple statement. If you deny that evolution occurs, then you are simply denying clearly observable facts. Facts of nature, God's created nature.
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The biggest difference between the evolutionists & creationists is that the C's admit UP FRONT that it is "BY FAITH" that they so believe.
The E's make their feeble attempts to claim a "scientific" reasoning rather than faith just like the C's.
Both see the same evidence, & the C's just accept that whatever the state of "STUFF", it was created thus by HIM, as opposed to the E's claiming that GOD was "faking it" if age was built into creation.k
Either way, it is a simple matter of faith, depending on your belief in the accuracy of HIS WORD.:godisgood:
 
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Aaron

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The Importance of Defining Terms


http://www.icr.org/article/can-small-we-see-add-up-big-changes-needed-for-evo/

My opponent began her presentation by defining evolution as simply "change over time." She documented many examples of change in non-living things as well as plants and animals. Even people change over time. We are, on average, taller than our ancestors just a few generations ago. As a population certainly we age. No one could dispute that these changes have occurred, thus she had "proven" that evolution had occurred.

And therein lies the crux of the matter. You simply must define terms carefully. Evolution in the meaningful sense implies big changes, like a fish turning into a person. Has this happened? Do the small changes we observe over time add up to the big changes needed by evolution? Did a single-celled organism become a marine invertebrate, then a fish, then an amphibian, then a reptile, then a mammal, then an ape-like ancestor then a person? These truly big changes must have occurred if evolution really accounts for all of life.

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It takes a prior, gut-level commitment to evolution to continue to favor it in spite of the weight of evidence to the contrary.
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MB

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quantumfaith said:
One simple statement. If you deny that evolution occurs, then you are simply denying clearly observable facts. Facts of nature, God's created nature.
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Can we call adaptation evolution? Science is calling it evolution. While I can agree humans have an adaptive quality to there environment but, it does not mean we evolved from Apes. My first and foremost objection to evolution not only suggest we came from Apes but if this is so then our God is ape as well. After all we are created in His likeness. Our God said we are created from clay not apes or some slime pool. They declare it fact based on a lie. A lie they created because they could not find the proverbial missing link. They lined up several likenesses and said this is the evolution of man. Yet none of those animals in our supposed past have the same amount of chromosomes. Then they hold up DNA and say there is only a three percent difference between them and us, but 3 percent of several billion or should I say billions is an awful lot of difference. Man is traceable through his DNA all the way back to Eve and there was no monkey's uncle in the lot.

One thing for certain evolution according to mathematics is flat out impossible. The world would be so populated by now there would be no room left to stand. In fact people would have to be stacked on top of each other until the mass rubbed dirt off the moon.
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go2church

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Why would a group that advocates a six day 24 hour creation ever hear about someone who has come to faith because of evolution? Wouldn't they be the last group such a person would ever contact?

Not really adding much to the conversation per sa just curious I guess.
 
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HisWitness

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Bronconagurski said:
The answer I get the most is that the bible was written by men and they emebellished things. I also hear that the bible is no better than any other religion's book as they were all written by men. I counter with yes, but the bible is the only one (that I know of) that claims inspiration from God.
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the original writings were inspired by God--but over the centuries man has translated some words very badly in some of the translations--does that make the word of God not inspired..of course not--but man has stuck his fingers in it and has done injustice to mankind and to the inspired word of God :)
 
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