Does False Teaching Really Matter?

[Van]

No one's changing the subject.


Buried somewhere in this monster is the subject of the accuracy of the message vs the effectual response of faith.

So tell me...is it the flawless accuracy of the message that counts, or the object of one's faith? What was it in your case?

1) These advocates of false doctrine change the subject to the meaning of "grace" then deny that was a change of subject.

2) The fact is that born anew believers are to be intolerant of false doctrine. See the OP.

3) No one said or suggested the gospel message must be perfect in order for the lost to place their faith and devotion in Christ. So another deflection hoisted to hide the fact God uses our faith and devotion to determine whose faith He will credit as righteousness. That fundamental truth of the Gospel is denied by the alternate and false view from the dark ages.

 

[canadyjd]

@Van

Peace to you

 

[Aaron]

1) These advocates of false doctrine change the subject to the meaning of "grace" then deny that was a change of subject.

2) The fact is that born anew believers are to be intolerant of false doctrine. See the OP.

3) No one said or suggested the gospel message must be perfect in order for the lost to place their faith and devotion in Christ. So another deflection hoisted to hide the fact God uses our faith and devotion to determine whose faith He will credit as righteousness. That fundamental truth of the Gospel is denied by the alternate and false view from the dark ages.

See Van.

See Van build.

Van builds a straw man.

See Van push.

See the straw man fall.

Oh Van! Ha! Ha!

 

[Van]

Once again we see advocates for the dark age fallacy offering mindless twaddle instead of a biblically based response.

No one said or suggested the gospel message must be perfect in order for the lost to place their faith and devotion in Christ. So another deflection hoisted to hide the fact God uses our faith and devotion to determine whose faith He will credit as righteousness. That fundamental truth of the Gospel is denied by the alternate and false view from the dark ages.

Have you ever seen one of these deflectors say God credits the faith of some of the lost as righteousness. Neither have I! It is like Romans Chapter 4 does not exist in their version of scripture.

Think about it, if God actually credits the faith as righteousness of some of the lost, as the basis for bestowing salvation, then the fiction that the lost are unable to believe in Christ is exposed. So nary a word...








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[Van]

No one said or suggested the gospel message must be perfect in order for the lost to place their faith and devotion in Christ. So another deflection hoisted to hide the fact God uses our faith and devotion to determine whose faith He will credit as righteousness. That fundamental truth of the Gospel is denied by the alternate and false view from the dark ages.

Have you ever seen one of these deflectors say God credits the faith of some of the lost as righteousness. Neither have I! It is like Romans Chapter 4 does not exist in their version of scripture.

Think about it, if God actually credits the faith as righteousness of some of the lost, as the basis for bestowing salvation, then the fiction that the lost are unable to believe in Christ is exposed. So nary a word...

Recall everyone who believes into Him - everyone God chooses to transfer into Christ based on crediting their worthless faith as righteousness - will not perish but have everlasting life?

 

[JonC]

The underlying Greek is πᾶς πιστεύω (pas pisteuo), literally meaning: "all believing" which is translated as either whosoever believes, whoever believes, all who believe, or everyone who believes. Pretty simple and straightforward here.

A Calvinist does not have to read into the passage saying "Whoever the elect are" shall believe in him. It may be implied by all that all who believe ARE the elect.

I think the problem comes in with people taking one word and not the entire context (leaving off the word that follows).

One could say πᾶς means "everyone" since we are talking about people (all people). But the very next word qualified it with "who believes". You are exactly right.

You made a slight mistake with the second part I quoted. A Calvinist saying "Whoever the elect are shall believe in Him" is not the same as saying all who believe are the elect because this implies one is numbered among the elect prior to believing in Him.