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Does God allow Divorce Today?

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Reformed

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There is no forgiveness for the one initiating the divorce unless they forgive.

As I scanned this thread I had no intention on commenting simply because I did not want to get into a debate on divorce and remarriage (for the record, I have never been divorced and I am approaching my third decade of marriage to my lovely bride) because of the passion the topic generates. When I read this sentence of yours I decided it has to be addressed.

First, no matter what the reason, divorce is a tragedy. It destroys individuals and families. Women and children are disproportionally affected by divorce. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, "The poverty rate for female-headed families with children was 36.5 percent, compared to 22.1 percent for male-headed families with children and 7.5 percent of families with children headed by married couples." Divorce contributes to juvenile delinquency. A report by the Heritage Foundation found, "a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime." Most importantly, divorce gives the enemies of our Lord cause to blaspheme. I state all this to make the point clear that I believe divorce is a serious sin and comes with serious consequences for all involved. That said, it is not an unforgivable sin. The only unforgivable sin is unbelief. Even the unpardonable sin of Matthew 12:31-32 cannot be replicated today.

Now, I want to be generous. Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean by your statement of there being no forgiveness unless the initiator forgives. Maybe you are referring to the natural consequences of the sin of divorce. My parents divorced when I was a young boy. My father never confessed nor asked for the forgiveness of my mother for his actions which lead to the divorce. Both of my parents eventually were remarried, so restoration of the marriage was impossible. Still, had my father confessed and asked for my mother's forgiveness at least they could have been at peace with each other and a valuable lesson taught to my sister and me. Does this place one or both of my parents outside of Christ? No. Could it be an indicator of greater spiritual problems that may indicate neither are Christians? Possibly, but not necessarily. The same could be said of any sin. It bears mentioning that positionally speaking, Christians are no longer sinners; we are "saints by calling" (1 Corinthians 1:2); we are "in the light" and "the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin" (1 John 1:7). This does not mean God promises to keep us from the penalty of sin in this life. If we rob a bank we should expect to spend some time in Club Fed. But to assign divorce a special place among sins is not supported by scripture.
 

Iconoclast

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No divorce except for adultery.....

It was a creation ordinance;
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


Mark 10:11
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.

Mark 10:12
And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

Luke 16:18
Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
 

Iconoclast

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Christians divorce every day so yes, God allows divorce today.
...and no, getting or being divorced does not cost one their salvation.​

Does divorce please God?
Even if their are grounds for divorce I believe God is not honored.

Rob
7 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
 

kyredneck

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No divorce except for adultery.....

Wrong. No divorce except for FORNICATION, which occurred BEFORE the marriage. NOT the same as adultery:

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery. Matthew 19:9

Deuteronomy 22:13-21

The bloody bedsheets would tell the story. It was at that point the husband was to decide whether to forever hold his peace.

It's why the disciple's response:

10 The disciples say unto him, If the case of the man is so with his wife, it is not expedient to marry. Mt 19
 
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kyredneck

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God IS divorced!

Multi-faceted gem it is. Many 'threads' in the scriptures that carry the same message. He also died!:

16 For where a testament is, there must of necessity be the death of him that made it. Heb 9
 

robycop3

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I believe a leading cause of divorce is couples marrying outta LUST, not true love. When the novelty wears off, they may find they're incompatible in many ways, hence leading to divorce.

Christians have lust & libidos same as anyone else, but both people should carefully examine themselves to see if they wanna marry the other strictly from the activity of their libidos, or whether they believe the other will be a best friend & life partner & not just a sex object.

I thank God every day for giving me a GREAT wife who's my best friend & partner in everything. I hope every happily-married Christian likewise married to a great spouse does the same!
 

1689Dave

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As I scanned this thread I had no intention on commenting simply because I did not want to get into a debate on divorce and remarriage (for the record, I have never been divorced and I am approaching my third decade of marriage to my lovely bride) because of the passion the topic generates. When I read this sentence of yours I decided it has to be addressed.

First, no matter what the reason, divorce is a tragedy. It destroys individuals and families. Women and children are disproportionally affected by divorce. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, "The poverty rate for female-headed families with children was 36.5 percent, compared to 22.1 percent for male-headed families with children and 7.5 percent of families with children headed by married couples." Divorce contributes to juvenile delinquency. A report by the Heritage Foundation found, "a 10 percent increase in the percentage of children living in single-parent homes leads typically to a 17 percent increase in juvenile crime." Most importantly, divorce gives the enemies of our Lord cause to blaspheme. I state all this to make the point clear that I believe divorce is a serious sin and comes with serious consequences for all involved. That said, it is not an unforgivable sin. The only unforgivable sin is unbelief. Even the unpardonable sin of Matthew 12:31-32 cannot be replicated today.
Divorce & Remarriage = adultery until one of the original spouses dies. Divorce = unforgiveness, a damnable sin because we need to forgive before God will forgive us. God's elect will overcome these sins.
Now, I want to be generous. Perhaps I misunderstand what you mean by your statement of there being no forgiveness unless the initiator forgives. Maybe you are referring to the natural consequences of the sin of divorce. My parents divorced when I was a young boy. My father never confessed nor asked for the forgiveness of my mother for his actions which lead to the divorce. Both of my parents eventually were remarried, so restoration of the marriage was impossible. Still, had my father confessed and asked for my mother's forgiveness at least they could have been at peace with each other and a valuable lesson taught to my sister and me. Does this place one or both of my parents outside of Christ? No. Could it be an indicator of greater spiritual problems that may indicate neither are Christians? Possibly, but not necessarily. The same could be said of any sin. It bears mentioning that positionally speaking, Christians are no longer sinners; we are "saints by calling" (1 Corinthians 1:2); we are "in the light" and "the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin" (1 John 1:7). This does not mean God promises to keep us from the penalty of sin in this life. If we rob a bank we should expect to spend some time in Club Fed. But to assign divorce a special place among sins is not supported by scripture.
 

1689Dave

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More damnable would be to have the injured party be forced to endure a womanizing husband, who get drunk on a regular basis, and beats on her, and she has to still put up with that!
I covered this situation in the last paragraph of my original post.
 

1689Dave

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The one leaving the marriage & causing the divorce can be forgiven, but presumably would not want to return to the marriage. They can be forgiven, & will be forgiven by the Christian, but the Christian will be left alone, often with children to care for with a limited income.

Remarriage is permitted for the faithful partner -
1 Cor. 7: 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.

25 Now concerning virgins: I have no commandment from the Lord; yet I give judgment as one whom the Lord in His mercy has made trustworthy. 26 I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress—that it is good for a man to remain as he is: 27 Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife. 28 But even if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Nevertheless such will have trouble in the flesh, but I would spare you.

The whole chapter is difficult to interpret, but if a faithful believer in Christ become divorced because of the actions of the spouse, and they remarry in the Lord, the believer is still in the saved relationship with Christ, sinless in God's sight. Remarriage in the Lord will not break the relationship with the Lord.
It still remains, if you initiate a divorce, it is because you will not forgive. And if you do forgive, you must repent = reconcile the marriage. Any remarriage is adultery so long as the divorced spouse remains alive.
 

Reformed

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You need to edit post #27. You used the quote function incorrectly making it look as though I posted this:

1689Dave said:
Divorce & Remarriage = adultery until one of the original spouses dies. Divorce = unforgiveness, a damnable sin because we need to forgive before God will forgive us. God's elect will overcome these sins.

And how do you suggest a divorced couple overcomes these sins if they are re-married? Compound their original sin by another divorce?

It is interesting, is it not? You do not believe in a moral law of God's establishment but you have set up your own.
 

1689Dave

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You need to edit post #27. You used the quote function incorrectly making it look as though I posted this:



And how do you suggest a divorced couple overcomes these sins if they are re-married? Compound their original sin by another divorce?

It is interesting, is it not? You do not believe in a moral law of God's establishment but you have set up your own.
I know of no other way to receive forgiveness of sin apart from repentance. I would definitely terminate an adulterous marriage, not only for my sake, but for the sake of the spouse as well.
 

InTheLight

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I know of no other way to receive forgiveness of sin apart from repentance.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I John 1:9


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1689Dave

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If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I John 1:9


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This is true, but you must believe before you can do this. And belief is a fruit of the Holy Spirit who must reside in you before you can believe.
 

InTheLight

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This is true, but you must believe before you can do this. And belief is a fruit of the Holy Spirit who must reside in you before you can believe.
So you say. What does the Bible say?

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:13

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
John 20:31

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Romans 1:16

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1689Dave

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So you say. What does the Bible say?

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:13

But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
John 20:31

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Romans 1:16

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“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,” (Galatians 5:22) (KJV 1900)

“Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” (Hebrews 12:2) (KJV 1900)

“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:10) (KJV 1900)

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:” (Ephesians 2:8) (KJV 1900)
 

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I know of no other way to receive forgiveness of sin apart from repentance. I would definitely terminate an adulterous marriage, not only for my sake, but for the sake of the spouse as well.

Dave, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance and faith are both necessary for a person to be converted. However, repentance does not mean perfection. Christians do sin and sometimes they really make a mess of things; even to the point where the consequences of the sin cannot be undone. Divorce and remarriage is one such example. To counsel a divorced couple who are remarried to divorce their existing spouses only compounds sin. Repentance is still possible. It requires admission of the wrong done and corrective action (if possible). If a man divorced his wife and neither are re-married, it would be good for him to confess his sin and go back to his ex-wife. Praise God that has happened in some instances. Unfortunately, that is not always possible. David could not undo the mess he made by being complicit in the death of Uriah due to his adulterous affair with Bathsheba. He had to suffer the consequences of his actions. He was still a man after God's own heart.

Again, for a man who has railed against God's moral law, you seem to be insisting on your own version of it.
 

1689Dave

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Dave, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance and faith are both necessary for a person to be converted. However, repentance does not mean perfection. Christians do sin and sometimes they really make a mess of things; even to the point where the consequences of the sin cannot be undone. Divorce and remarriage is one such example. To counsel a divorced couple who are remarried to divorce their existing spouses only compounds sin. Repentance is still possible. It requires admission of the wrong done and corrective action (if possible). If a man divorced his wife and neither are re-married, it would be good for him to confess his sin and go back to his ex-wife. Praise God that has happened in some instances. Unfortunately, that is not always possible. David could not undo the mess he made by being complicit in the death of Uriah due to his adulterous affair with Bathsheba. He had to suffer the consequences of his actions. He was still a man after God's own heart.

Again, for a man who has railed against God's moral law, you seem to be insisting on your own version of it.
You cannot live in a state of adultery and expect to be one of God's elect. Whatever is born of God overcomes sin.
 

Iconoclast

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Wrong. No divorce except for FORNICATION, which occurred BEFORE the marriage. NOT the same as adultery:

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her when she is put away committeth adultery. Matthew 19:9

Deuteronomy 22:13-21

The bloody bedsheets would tell the story. It was at that point the husband was to decide whether to forever hold his peace.

It's why the disciple's response:

10 The disciples say unto him, If the case of the man is so with his wife, it is not expedient to marry. Mt 19
rom7 :3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
 

kyredneck

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rom7 :3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

...clear your mind of all presuppositions, take your time, read it real slow (out loud if you have to) and see that this is not a reason given that justifies divorce, this is an example of adultery.

The only BIBLICAL justification for divorce is fornication, which is NOT adultery.
 
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