Featured Does God Desire for all to be Saved?

Yes it does. God desires those who He sent Christ into the world to save. All that He gave to His Son. And the Ones God desires, wills to be saved , all will be saved Job 23:13

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

 

Think about it. God really desires, wills to save everybody, but what does He do? He has determined not to save them. These two things do not fit. God has made some people to be vessels of wrath and fitted for destruction Rom 9:21-22

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

God is of One Mind ! Job 23:13-14

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.

 

Brightfame52 said: ↑
Sure if he or she is one of Gods elect and God timed their conversion at that time. The bible tells about a thief that God was pleased to convert right when the thief was being executed. The thief was an elect of God.

So by your logic God is the one that condemns all those in hell. It is not their sin that puts them in hell it is Gods' choice to do so, just because He can.
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Your theology only allows for the "elect" to be saved so by extension all the non-elect are condemned. And since you say God has only chosen the "elect" that means He did not chose the non-elect. So all those that are condemned are so because He did not choose them and not because they sin as the choice was made before time began.

 

Jesus used the word "whoever" many times. Not once did He say "Whoever if elect".

When one is saved, one BECOMES elect, elected as a citizen of God's kingdom by its King, Jesus Christ.

 

I have given you my rebuttal. What God desires He performs Job 23:13

13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

And God created some people as vessels of wrath and fits them for destruction. So why would He desire them to repent and be saved ? That would be contrary to His Purpose.

Ezk 33 :7 is speaking about His Elect among Israel. Obviously they arent vessels of wrath.

See Gods elect are like other men naturally, wicked, but God will not take pleasure in their death.

 

Why would you say the thief wasnt one of Gods elect ?

 

Did the thief freely trust in Christ Jesus, YES. Did Christ Jesus save him because of that confession, YES. So because he confessed Christ Jesus he became one of the elect. He was not one of the elect prior to his confession. Remember by grace you are saved through faith.

 

Huh ? You lost me with that comment !

 

You not making sense to me. Why would you say a person Jesus saved wasnt one of His Sheep or Elect ?

 

Ok then Salty, what kind of sinner is good enough to be saved? Are you or me any less a sinner than Ted Bundy?

 

They are once they have trusted in Christ Jesus for their salvation.

 

Do you imagine the thief came by his free will or did God draw him to his response?
In other words, was his response the cause of Jesus saving him or was God's dragging him to Jesus the cause of his response?

 

Luk 23:41 "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."
Luk 23:42 And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!"
Luk 23:43 And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

Confession - Salvation

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord ... you will be saved
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Actually quite easy to understand if you just read the text without reading into it what you want to find.

 

You never answered the question You danced around it. Here, I will ask again.

Was his (the thief's) response the cause of Jesus saving him or was God's dragging him to Jesus the cause of his response?

 

Confession - Salvation

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord ... you will be saved
Rom 10:10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Actually quite easy to understand if you just read the text without reading into it what you want to find.

Here is your question "1] Was his (the thief's) response the cause of Jesus saving him or 2] was God's dragging him to Jesus the cause of his response?"

What about the comments do you not understand? Read them again and see if it becomes clearer for you. Which view 1] or 2] is answered by the verses I posted.

I have not danced around it, you are just refusing to see or more likely ignoring the answer.

 

Thats not true. They are Jesus elect/sheep before they believe. The thief that Jesus blessed on the cross was chosen in Him before the foundation as all Sheep were.

 

I already spoke to that, the wicked elect will not perish. In Ezk God was speaking to His chosen people Ezk 33:10-11

10 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto the house of Israel; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins be upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?

11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

This didnt apply to the egyptians, amorites, hitites, but a specific people in Covenant with God of Israel !