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Does having imperfect translations attack God's character and preservation?

michelle

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Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


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You seem ignorant of the fact that the word "worship" means to prostrate yourself, or to kneel down.
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Worship means much more than what your definition of worship is. Worship is far more than just kneeling down.

You are christian, and do not know this?

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 

Askjo

New Member
Originally posted by HankD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />The Greek word for kneeling down is gonupeteo.
The Greek word for worship is proskuneo.

Are they same meanings?
Their meanings intersect in the semantic domain.

Strong's 4352 proskuneo {pros-koo-neh'-o}
Meaning: 1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence 2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence 3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
HankD
</font>[/QUOTE]My Strong's does NOT say, "kneel down." None!
 

LarryN

New Member
Originally posted by LarryN:
So many questions, so little time. I'll just focus on the one I've repeatedly asked, but haven't yet received an answer to.

Michelle wrote: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Do you also believe that God would preserve doctrine that "weakened" his truth over that of the "stronger"?
Michelle, once again, please provide at least one reference (chapter & verse) in an MV that presents a faithful translation of God's Word (yes, I'm not allowing the NWT here) that you believe weakens a fundamental doctrine, and then explain why you believe it is weakened. You've repeatedly stated that MV's weaken the doctrine of the Deity of Christ, so let's have it.

Please.
</font>[/QUOTE]Michelle, I'm just dropping this question down to the end of the thread. Perhaps you missed it. I'm still awaiting a response. Thank you.
 

skanwmatos

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Originally posted by michelle:
Worship means much more than what your definition of worship is. Worship is far more than just kneeling down.

You are christian, and do not know this?
Yes [snipped] I am a Christian. And, unlike you, I know what the bible word "worship" means. You should do a little study once in a while before you post. It would help you avoid looking like such an utter fool so often.

[ April 12, 2004, 05:13 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
 

michelle

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Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!

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Skwan quoted:

Yes, unlike you, I am a Christian. And, unlike you, I know what the bible word "worship" means.
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Yet again, we have many here outrightly denying my salvation. I can probably guess, that you are going to point out my question to you: "You are a christian and do not know this"? as to my questioning your salvation. Just to make it clear to you, I was not questioning your salvation at all. I was asking how you being a christian (acknowledging that you are), did not understand that worship means more than what you stated it meant. Nothing more, and nothing less. I am sorry if you misunderstood my question.


Where are the moderators for this?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 

skanwmatos

New Member
Originally posted by michelle:
Yet again, we have many here outrightly denying my salvation.
Yet again, we have you lying about what I said. There are a lot of saved people who are not at all Christ like and thus are not identified as Christians. After having read your drivel I have lumped you with that group. You are ignorant of the bible, of the topic being discussed, and of the Christian graces. And you try to hide it all behind smug platitudes which you don't really mean.
 

skanwmatos

New Member
I asked Askjo this question 3 days ago but he still has not answered it. I wonder why?
Originally posted by skanwmatos:
Can you list the differences between the Ben Asher text and the Ben Chayyim text? There are only 8 places which are different which would affect the translation.
Maybe he just doesn't know. Kinda says something about his expertize on the bible translation issue, doesn't it?
 

skanwmatos

New Member
Askjo, we are still waiting for you to document your claim that the NKJV departs from the TR 2,000 times. What's the problem? Can't do it?
 

michelle

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Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


Skwan,

Thank you so much for you kind words to me. How sweet and kind you are. How comforting for me to know that I am only saved, but nothing whatsoever christlike, and should not be identified as a christian. Thank you, kind christian brother, for such words of encouragement and love. I will cease from asking you anymore questions, and from responding to your posts, as I do not want to further cause you to judge me in any way with all my drivel, and smug platitudes that I don't really mean. I guess I do not know what I mean, but others know better what I mean. Thank you for showing me this.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 

skanwmatos

New Member
You see why I made the determination I did? The above post is full of lies, sarcasm, and just about everything else, except honesty, love, and humility. You just proved my point for me.
 

HankD

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askjo says:
My Strong's does NOT say, "kneel down." None!
Go to :
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/4/1081804534-4745.html

3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication.

Again the point is that the NKJV does NOT abandon the Greek of the TR for the Greek of the Alexandrian text in any place that I know of.

If you do know of a place where this happens, post the Chapter and Verse and we will look at it.

HankD
 

Phillip

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Skanwmatos, Can you look at my post: History of KJV It is quoted from the book I reference on the thread.

I am curious to have your thoughts on what the book says. It is NOT based on my opinion, only on the book and I do not know if the author is accurate or not.
 

michelle

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Peace and love to you all in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


Skwan,

I guess you missed the reason for my sarcasm in my post. Can you now hold yourself to the same standards you hold to me? Please reread your posts to me, and the accusations of me you have made. Is this Christlike behaviour? Am I allowed to ask you this question, as you yourself have taken it upon yourself to state these things about me as matter-of-factly, rather than in a more pleasant and christlike manner. Will you now say that it is okay for me to label you part of that group that is only saved, but not christian, nor christlike (not that I would or am)? All I did was ask you a question, regarding worship, and in response to the debate at hand regarding the word worship. You have misunderstood me, and that is okay, as it is easy to do here on these posts. But why take it personal, rather than asking me to verify what it is that I meant?

To me, someone who is saved is a christian, as one who is saved will exhibit christlike behaviour. When you said that I was not christian like you, you questioned my salvation. This is why I further explained to you what I meant, as I understood that you took my question to you the wrong way. I am sorry that you misunderstood me, and that my question to you caused you to take something personal, that was not intended.

Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
 

Dr. Bob

Administrator
Administrator
Com'on gang. Michelle, you QUESTION SALVATION (that someone is a "christian" but doesn't know something you believe). Skan, you BLAST BACK that Michelle is not a Christian or acting like a Christian.

This name calling, esp when the salient issue is NOT a 'definition of worship' or a 'pile of lies' attacking the NKJV, but is the eternal salvation of our souls, will stop.
 

Askjo

New Member
Originally posted by skanwmatos:
The NKJV follows the TR reading which is identical to the CT reading.
Why the CT reading?

Then your information is wrong. The NKJV is translated from exactly the same Greek text as the KJV.
NO! The TR and the 1982 MT differ each other.

Michelle quoted
Worship means much more than what your definition of worship is. Worship is far more than just kneeling down.
Skan, I agree with Michelle.

I know what the bible word "worship" means. You should do a little study once in a while before you post. It would help you avoid looking like such an utter fool so often.
Skan, you need to look up a English dictionary and find a definition of worship. What does it say?

You are ignorant of the bible, of the topic being discussed, and of the Christian graces. And you try to hide it all behind smug platitudes which you don't really mean.
Your unspiritual attitude toward Michelle???? I see!

I asked Askjo this question 3 days ago but he still has not answered it. I wonder why?
You called me "ignorant", right? However when I said something about the NKJV, I learn the fact about it. You rejected the fact according to the information what I find the evidences. Then I do not have to answer your questions.

Originally posted by HankD 3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication.
It ADDED in yours. My Strong's does not say it.
 

skanwmatos

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Originally posted by Askjo:
Why the CT reading?
Because ALL Greek texts read the same in that verse! You claimed the NKJV followed the CT in that verse. I proved you were not telling the truth.
NO! The TR and the 1982 MT differ each other.
And the NKJV is NOT translated from the MT! How many more times do I have to say it before it sinks into your thick hard? The NKJV translators put it right in the Preface to their bible, they followed the traditional text, otherwise known as the TR.
Skan, I agree with Michelle.
So, there are two KJVO nut cases who don't know what proskuneo means. Why am it not surprised?
Skan, you need to look up a English dictionary and find a definition of worship. What does it say?
1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
3a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
3a1) to the Jewish high priests
3a2) to God
3a3) to Christ
3a4) to heavenly beings
3a5) to demons
Your unspiritual attitude toward Michelle???? I see!
No, you don't see. It is very spiritual to correct someone who is wallowing in gross error. The bible commands us in Proverbs 26:5 to "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."
You called me "ignorant", right?
Yes, because you are ignorant. You still have not posted the evidence for your claim, and the reason you can't post the evidence is that it doesn't exist. You made it up.
However when I said something about the NKJV, I learn the fact about it.
No, you made up lies and got caught. If you COULD post the evidence, you would, but you can't.
You rejected the fact according to the information what I find the evidences.
You didn't post any facts. You posted made up lies. I posted the proof from authors even you accept to show that your lies were exposed.
Then I do not have to answer your questions.
Because you can't. You know you made up lies and got caught.
It ADDED in yours. My Strong's does not say it.
You are lying again. Strongs says
AV-worship 60; 60

1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
3a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
3a1) to the Jewish high priests
3a2) to God
3a3) to Christ
3a4) to heavenly beings
3a5) to demons
 

HankD

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It ADDED in yours. My Strong's does not say it
OK so your Strong's doesn't use the word "kneel". Yours is probably an abridged version. I've given you the whole megillah.

But you still haven't shown us where the NKJV clearly departs from the TR (because it doesn't).

Here are some classic TR lithmus tests:

NKJ John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

NKJ 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

NKJ 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

You have been misinformed by someone and IMO it is a form of deception on their part. The NKJV follows the TR religiously (pardon the pun, or not).

HankD
 

Askjo

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Originally posted by HankD:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> It ADDED in yours. My Strong's does not say it
OK so your Strong's doesn't use the word "kneel". Yours is probably an abridged version.

HankD
</font>[/QUOTE]Everything!
 
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