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Does Jesus still have those nail prints in hands and in His risen body now?

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Yeshua1

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Jerome said:
Only the hands and side, huh?


Oops, what about His feet?

Luke 24:40 "he shewed them his hands and his feet."

Hallelujah!

Calvin's Commentary on this Scripture:

"he continued for a time to bear some remaining marks of the cross"

But it is "foolish and an old wife’s dream, to imagine that he will still continue to bear the marks of the wounds, when he shall come to judge the world."


Yeshua1 of course knows better than his man John Calvin:
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My Man is the Lord Jesus, and why would he not have them forever?
 
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Jerome

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Jerome said:
Calvin's Commentary on Luke 24:40 "he shewed them his hands and his feet" :

"he continued for a time to bear some remaining marks of the cross"
It is "foolish and an old wife’s dream, to imagine that he will still continue to bear the marks of the wounds, when he shall come to judge the world."
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Yeshua1 said:
why would he not have them forever?
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Monergism.com | Calvin's Commentaries

John 20:20 "he shewed unto them his hands and his side"

John Calvin: "if any person should infer from this, that Christ has still the wounded side and the pierced hands, that would be absurd; for it is certain that the use of the wounds was temporary, until the Apostles were fully convinced that he was risen from the dead."
 
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Jerome said:
John Calvin: "if any person should infer from this, that Christ has still the wounded side and the pierced hands, that would be absurd; for it is certain that the use of the wounds was temporary, until the Apostles were fully convinced that he was risen from the dead."
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  1. Calvin is not Scripture.
  2. Better to quote God than Calvin.
While the opinions of John Calvin are interesting, they prove nothing except that Calvin believed them.
As "proof" of anything else, this is an "appeal to authority" fallacy.

Where does Scripture state that the wounds were temporary ... that we should view any other position as "absurd"?
There is nothing absurd about believing that Christ was raised from the dead and ascended in His glorified body.
There is nothing absurd about accepting the claim that the same Jesus that ascended will return, and believe that He will return in the same glorified body that He left in.

It is speculation based on inference, but it is only absurd if you have clear scripture that contradicts it.
 
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Yeshua1

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SavedByGrace said:
and what do you think that you are doing here? :rolleyes: there is NO Scripture that says Jesus still has His wounds. But we do know that His Body was changed after His Resurrection.
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He had them when he ascended, so proof would have to be shown that he dropped them since went back to heaven!
 
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Yeshua1

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Jerome said:
Monergism.com | Calvin's Commentaries

John 20:20 "he shewed unto them his hands and his side"

John Calvin: "if any person should infer from this, that Christ has still the wounded side and the pierced hands, that would be absurd; for it is certain that the use of the wounds was temporary, until the Apostles were fully convinced that he was risen from the dead."
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I like Calvin in many of his views, but did not see Him listed among the Apostles of the Lord jesus!
 
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SavedByGrace said:
and what do you think that you are doing here? :rolleyes: there is NO Scripture that says Jesus still has His wounds. But we do know that His Body was changed after His Resurrection.
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What we have here, is a failure to communicate ...
  1. "It is speculation based on inference" was talking about Jesus still having the wounds when He returns, so I WAS talking about what I was doing.
  2. The point was that my "speculation" is only ABSURD (as Calvin claims) if there is scripture that contradicts it. If there is no scripture to contradict it, then it is only speculation but not absurd at all.
"there is NO Scripture that says Jesus still has His wounds."
  • John 20:27 says that Jesus still had His wounds after His resurrection.
"But we do know that His Body was changed after His Resurrection."
  • Yes it was.
  • And John 20:27 says that changed post-resurrection body still had its wounds.
  • Revelation 5 indicates the eternal importance of Jesus wounds as the "lamb slain", opening the possibility that His wounds are as important as his humanity is.
So the REAL QUESTION is: Do you know of any scripture that renders my/our view impossible?
Only clear refutation (from the word of God) would make our speculation (based on inferences from the word of God), "absurd".
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
What we have here, is a failure to communicate ...
  1. "It is speculation based on inference" was talking about Jesus still having the wounds when He returns, so I WAS talking about what I was doing.
  2. The point was that my "speculation" is only ABSURD (as Calvin claims) if there is scripture that contradicts it. If there is no scripture to contradict it, then it is only speculation but not absurd at all.
"there is NO Scripture that says Jesus still has His wounds."
  • John 20:27 says that Jesus still had His wounds after His resurrection.
"But we do know that His Body was changed after His Resurrection."
  • Yes it was.
  • And John 20:27 says that changed post-resurrection body still had its wounds.
  • Revelation 5 indicates the eternal importance of Jesus wounds as the "lamb slain", opening the possibility that His wounds are as important as his humanity is.
So the REAL QUESTION is: Do you know of any scripture that renders my/our view impossible?
Only clear refutation (from the word of God) would make our speculation (based on inferences from the word of God), "absurd".
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this subject is speculation and makes no real difference
 
atpollard

atpollard

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SavedByGrace said:
yeah like yourself, just beliefs, move on...
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Now you are just being silly. I have presented the supporting scriptures and exegeted how they support my position based on simple inferences from those scriptures. All you have presented as counter argument is bluster that we are all wrong. When pressed for scripture to show where we are wrong, you then reply with nonsense about “speculation” and “just move on”.
 
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