Does OSAS mean freedom to keep on sinning then?

[Iconoclast]

The 5 solas

Under the new Covenant that Jesus died to place us under though...

The law has been kept in full by him for us,

In what sense?

and so we are commanded by God to submit to the Holy Spirit

where?

in order to live as we ought,

How shall we then live???? It sounds like a book title.

not to keep trying by our own efforts to maintain the law...

Whose efforts do we use to maintain the law? are we lawless?

 

[Yeshua1]

The 5 solas





In what sense?





where?


How shall we then live???? It sounds like a book title.



Whose efforts do we use to maintain the law? are we lawless?

Jesus kept perfectly the law, as He grants us his merits to have the father saves us in Him, and once saved, the 'work" is to every day submit/yeild to the Holy Spirit, as he is quite capable to keep us living as we ought to now!

 

[preacher4truth]

As per the thread title and in answer to that -- how could any converted person feel or believe that to go on in sin (freedom to keep on sinning) as 'freedom'?

Any person that believes that OSAS (conversion) were an excuse for 'freedom to keep on sinning' has completely missed the purpose of the Gospel, salvation, and so much more.

The regenerate/converted see sin as slavery and something to be set free from, not something to have 'freedom' to keep on committing. Consider 1 John for instance.

 

[Iconoclast]

As per the thread title and in answer to that -- how could any converted person feel or believe that to go on in sin (freedom to keep on sinning) as 'freedom'?

Any person that believes that OSAS (conversion) were an excuse for 'freedom to keep on sinning' has completely missed the purpose of the Gospel, salvation, and so much more.

The regenerate/converted see sin as slavery and something to be set free from, not something to have 'freedom' to keep on committing. Consider 1 John for instance.

Correct.....:thumbsup::wavey:

 

[Iconoclast]

Jesus kept perfectly the law, as He grants us his merits to have the father saves us in Him, and once saved, the 'work" is to every day submit/yeild to the Holy Spirit, as he is quite capable to keep us living as we ought to now!

Your first sentence starts to answer....but then you do not answer any of the questions you were asked.

the 'work" is to every day submit/yeild to the Holy Spirit, as he is quite capable to keep us living as we ought to now![/

This is to avoid the questions totally.....

No one questions what the Holy Spirit can do.The Holy Spirit is not called to live the Christian life,as he is God Himself.

The questions asked deal with you......not the Holy Spirit....this vague submit/yield idea does not cut it......submit to what? yield to what?
A feeling like the hairs standing up on your neck? a sign?

 

[Yeshua1]

Your first sentence starts to answer....but then you do not answer any of the questions you were asked.



This is to avoid the questions totally.....

No one questions what the Holy Spirit can do.The Holy Spirit is not called to live the Christian life,as he is God Himself.

The questions asked deal with you......not the Holy Spirit....this vague submit/yield idea does not cut it......submit to what? yield to what?
A feeling like the hairs standing up on your neck? a sign?

The flesh and the Holy Spirit are locked into a never ending struggle this side of the grave, holy spirit when tempted to sin against god! and we have voctory over doing as the flesh desires only when we reckon ourselves dead to that, and submit to the control of the holy spirit when we are temted to sin against God!

we must yeild to the influence/control of the Holy spirit daily, as God does not zap Him over us automatically!

 

[Yeshua1]

As per the thread title and in answer to that -- how could any converted person feel or believe that to go on in sin (freedom to keep on sinning) as 'freedom'?

Any person that believes that OSAS (conversion) were an excuse for 'freedom to keep on sinning' has completely missed the purpose of the Gospel, salvation, and so much more.

The regenerate/converted see sin as slavery and something to be set free from, not something to have 'freedom' to keep on committing. Consider 1 John for instance.

So you would agree with me that OSAS advocates are not using that theology as "liceanse to sin" as some see us as!

 

[preacher4truth]

So you would agree with me that OSAS advocates are not using that theology as "liceanse to sin" as some see us as!

No I would not agree with that as unfortunately some use that excuse.

 

[Iconoclast]

Yeshua1

The flesh and the Holy Spirit are locked into a never ending struggle this side of the grave,

holy spirit when tempted to sin against god!

I have no idea what you are talking about with this...at all

we must yeild to the influence/control of the Holy spirit daily, as God does not zap Him over us automatically!

What verses say this???

 

[The Biblicist]

Yeshua1






I have no idea what you are talking about with this...at all



What verses say this???

The reason you are confused is because you interpret Romans 6 in an absolute sense and misinterpret Romans 7:14-25 as it cleary teaches that two different aspects of the human nature are at war with each other.

Romans 6:11-13 make it clear that Paul does not mean one is "freed" from the power or presence of sin in his own person in the absolute sense or else he would not have to exhort them to "reckon" and to "resist" etc.

Romans 7:14-25 clearly and unmistakenly prove that the whole person of the saint is not regenerated or created "in Christ." There is an unregenerated aspect of the human nature ("my flesh...this body of death....my members) wherein "the law of sin" is now operating against another aspect of the human nature which is regenerated "inward man".

The "old man" is not actually dead in regard to the saints own person but only dead judicially and regeneratively "in Christ" as Romans 6:7 and the term "freed" translates the very same word consistently translated "justified" from Romans 3:24 forward. It is Judicial death to sin that is the subject and which is spelled out for you in clear terms in Romans 7:1-5. If the "old man" had been absolutely "put off" we would never have to "put on" the new man. If the "old man" had been absolutely put off he would have used the indicative mode rather than the imperative mode which demands that the believer MUST DO IT IN OBEDIENCE TO A COMMAND!!! Now you can do what you always do in regard to this subject and just repeat your nonsense, but your nonsense does not change the exegetical facts which completely expose and condemn your absolutists position. Regeneration is what brings a believer into spiritual union with Christ not any baptism in the Spirit. This is simple. Spiritual death IS SEPARATION and thus the opposite of separation is.......??? You guessed it "union" and that is obtained not by any baptism in the Spirit but by being "CREATED IN CHRIST JESUS" which is contextually defined as being quickened - made alive (Eph. 2:1, 5, 8, 10).

OSAS is perfectly Biblical. Sure some abuse it, but what truth is not abused?

 

[Yeshua1]

Yeshua1






I have no idea what you are talking about with this...at all



What verses say this???

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
Galatians 5:16-18 Niv

Seems that we have something to do in this, as to resist the urges of our flesh is by submitting to the controll of the Spirit!