Does repentance come from God or People?

[12strings]

Acts 5:30,31 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."

Acts 11:17 "If God therefore gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also after believing in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?" And when they heard this, they quieted down, and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."

2 Tim. 2:24 And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, table to teach, patiently enduring evil, 25 correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth, 26 and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.

Mark 6:12 So they went out and proclaimed that people should repent.

Acts 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you,1 not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.



Discuss...Please try to show how your view takes into account the verses that might seem to conflict with your view.

 

[Amy.G]

No. God does not repent for you. You are responsible for that.

In Acts 11, God is showing the Jews how salvation has also come to the Gentiles. God has allowed the Gentiles to exercise the same "repentance unto life" as He did the Jews.

Context rules.

There are no verses that conflict with my view, just wrong interpretations.

 

[webdog]

God grants man the chance to repent, so by His mercy we can.

 

[Iconoclast]

God allows,or graces, grants repentance unto life.If anyone repents it is the work of the Spirit of God enabling them to repent and believe.
No one does this on their own....nobody,,,,as in not one.:thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Skandelon]

God allows,or graces, grants repentance unto life.If anyone repents it is the work of the Spirit of God enabling them to repent and believe.
No one does this on their own....nobody,,,,as in not one.:thumbs::thumbs:

:thumbsup: Agreed, but is that "work of the Spirit" irresistible? If so, why even refer to it being "granted" or "allowed" as if we are being given the ability to respond? Why not call it "effectually applied" or something of that sort so as to be consistent with your dogma?

 

[preacher4truth]

God allows,or graces, grants repentance unto life.If anyone repents it is the work of the Spirit of God enabling them to repent and believe.
No one does this on their own....nobody,,,,as in not one.:thumbs::thumbs:

:thumbsup: Bro.

It is His goodness that leads us (the elect) to repentance; Romans 2:4. It is definitely a gift that He gave to us.

 

[InTheLight]

Does repentance come from God or People?

Yes.

 

[Skandelon]

Does repentance come from God or People?

Yes.

:applause:

 

[preacher4truth]

Does repentance come from God or People?

Yes.

Repentance comes from God alone, and He alone empowers His elect to come to repentance.

It's not of people. It's all God. :jesus:

 

[ituttut]

Does repentance come from God or People?

Discuss...Please try to show how your view takes into account the verses that might seem to conflict with your view.

Both, but only one has the power to forgive sins. We turn to Him in a change of heart. We today cannot get to the Father by blood sacrifices of animals, as all before had to do. Our work has been done for us who are in the Body of Christ.

 

[Iconoclast]

:thumbsup: Agreed, but is that "work of the Spirit" irresistible? If so, why even refer to it being "granted" or "allowed" as if we are being given the ability to respond? Why not call it "effectually applied" or something of that sort so as to be consistent with your dogma?

It is not ultimately resisted by the elect, They being regenerated,and given a new heart, joyfully and quite willing repent and believe...being made conscious of their true condition before a Holy God.
Scripture refers to it as....to you it has been given, granted or graced....so we use the language God uses.
Theologically and systematically...theoligians say it is effectually applied...but having already spoken much of it[salvation] being a covenant transaction no one feels compelled to have to labor to spell it out.
We are not constantly fighting against the verses.

In other words you want.....

1]men to repent
2]to believe
3]to have faith

We do to. We just think God gets all the glory for all of it....we believe because we are elect sheep ...others remain in unbelief because they are not
jn10:26

 

[Skandelon]

It is not ultimately resisted by the elect,

Why? Because in your system it is "irresistible" which is why I asked why you refer to it being "allowed" or "granted?"

If a doctor does heart surgery to save the life of a car accident victim does he say "I granted or allowed him to have a new heart?" That doesn't make sense. Why speak of allowing something that was irresistibly applied?

In other words you want.....

1]men to repent
2]to believe
3]to have faith

We do to. We just think God gets all the glory for all of it...

We believe God gets all the glory too. Does a gift have to be irresistibly applied for the giver to get the credit for giving it?

If I offered you and Quantum Super Bowl tickets and Quantum said no thanks but you gladly received yours, would you be less grateful for the gift I gave you? Would you take credit for the gift simply because Quantum was given the ability to refuse the gift? Of course not, yet that is what you are presuming upon our system just because we don't believe God irresistibly applies his saving gift of grace.

we believe because we are elect sheep ...others remain in unbelief because they are not

What a perfect excuse for them, right?

 

[Iconoclast]

Why? Because in your system it is "irresistible" which is why I asked why you refer to it being "allowed" or "granted?"

If a doctor does heart surgery to save the life of a car accident victim does he say "I granted or allowed him to have a new heart?" That doesn't make sense. Why speak of allowing something that was irresistibly applied?

We believe God gets all the glory too. Does a gift have to be irresistibly applied for the giver to get the credit for giving it?

If I offered you and Quantum Super Bowl tickets and Quantum said no thanks but you gladly received yours, would you be less grateful for the gift I gave you? Would you take credit for the gift simply because Quantum was given the ability to refuse the gift? Of course not, yet that is what you are presuming upon our system just because we don't believe God irresistibly applies his saving gift of grace.

What a perfect excuse for them, right?

"I granted or allowed him to have a new heart?" That doesn't make sense. Why speak of allowing something that was irresistibly applied?

Well the language you want is in the new covenant promise;

I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

God does it all.as here in ezk 36;
[QUOTE25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ][/QUOTE]

Skan...God does it all here....there is no hint of man doing anything ..until God does it all....then man is said to keep Gods judgements,and do them.
We should all agree here! Why does this seem like such a troublesome idea to any of your team???[you know the non cal team]

 

[preacher4truth]

Well the language you want is in the new covenant promise;

God does it all.as here in ezk 36;
[QUOTE25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ]

Skan...God does it all here....there is no hint of man doing anything ..until God does it all....then man is said to keep Gods judgements,and do them.
We should all agree here! Why does this seem like such a troublesome idea to any of your team???[you know the non cal team][/QUOTE]

It is a troublesome idea to them, yet it is a Biblical truth. In this Iconoclast you are totally correct on both sides of the coin.

God does it all, and to Him be ALL the glory. Repentance is the work of God, not in any way a work of man, as those who preach "if you will repent God will..." which is false teaching and works based.

 

[Skandelon]

Well the language you want is in the new covenant promise;

We all agree on what God will do to His people, we are debating about how one become His people... I think Paul gives us a glimpse of that in his summary remarks in Romans 9: "the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; 31 but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. 32 Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works."

God does it all.

Yep, just not irresistibly.

Skan...God does it all here....there is no hint of man doing anything

Even Cals acknowledge that the regenerate elect man will respond, choose, believe, repent, so such statements are simply diverting the subject off the point of our real contention, which has to do with the irresistible working...not whether or not salvation is all of God, we all affirm that truth.

 

[preacher4truth]

It's resisted by the non-elect. That, and the OP is not about irresitible grace nor repentance, so let's stay on track here and not continue to attempt to insert a side track, yes?

 

[Amy.G]

Well the language you want is in the new covenant promise;

God does it all.as here in ezk 36;
[QUOTE25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. ]

Skan...God does it all here....there is no hint of man doing anything ..until God does it all....then man is said to keep Gods judgements,and do them.
We should all agree here! Why does this seem like such a troublesome idea to any of your team???[you know the non cal team]

[/QUOTE]

Yes, God does all of that, but not until there is repentance from man.

 

[Skandelon]

You can't discuss the concept of God granting repentance in a debate about Calvinism's DoGs without discussing the concept if "irresistibility." Anyone who thinks you can is not aware of the issues.

 

[Skandelon]

Yes, God does all of that, but not until there is repentance from man.

Correct. This is why Jesus speaks of "humbling yourself" and points to children as what we must become like in order to enter the kingdom.

"The meek shall inherit the earth."

Jesus said, "Humble yourself and you will be exalted," not "God will irresistibly humble you so as to exalt you."

 

[preacher4truth]

You can't discuss the concept of God granting repentance in a debate about Calvinism's DoGs without discussing the concept if "irresistibility." Anyone who thinks you can is not aware of the issues.

You certainly can discuss them without side tracking the OP, and anyone doing so is unaware of the issues.