Does Revelation 7 mention christians being killed and persecuted during the trib?

[webdog]

Why should pre-trib Christians be spared the Great Tribulation? They have never been spared other Tribulations that have occured over the course of time after the Ascension of Christ.

Rom 9:15 For He tells Moses: I will show mercy to whom I show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Hm. So if I am not a "real Christian," I live to be 120???

The only exercise some folk get is
JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS :BangHead:

 

[EdSutton]

No. If it was you would read in your KJV1611 Edition:


Romans 10:9 (PTOV = Pre-Trib Only Version)
That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Iesus,
and shalt beleeue in thine heart, that God
hath raised him from the dead, and beleeue in
thine heart that the
pretribulation rapture is THE WAY God will do it;
then thou shalt be saued.

Rev 7:9-14 (KJV1611 Edition):
After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could nuber,
of all nations, and kindreds, and people, & tongues,
stood before the throne, & before the Lamb, clothed with white robes,
and palmes in their hands:
10 And cryed with a loude voice, saying, Saluation to our God,
which sitteth vpon the Throne, and vnto the Lambe.
11 And all the Angels stood round about the Throne,
and about the Elders, and the foure beasts,
and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glorie, and wisedome,
and thankesgiuing, and honour, & power,
and might be vnto our God for euer & euer, Amen.
13 And one of the Elders answered, saying vnto mee,
What are these which are arayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said vnto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me,
These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and haue washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lambe.


I've run surveys before to see how many of the 2,000 Million
people on earth today are REAL Christians (on God's list).
The range of answers has a numerical average about 180 Million.
180 Million is just under 10%.

Revelation 9:16 mentions a number of 200 Million.
If all the real Christians now went into tribulation and if
they are 180 Million strong; then Revelation aught to mention
their number. So I'm wondering why it says "no man could number
them"?

(No, I don't REALLY think that no man could number them
but a WOMAN could number them???)

I believe then that these multitude of saints where those
raptured & resurrected at the Pretribulation resurrection/rapture..

THE ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN WORLD, 1991-1992
on page 502 quotes the OUR GLOVE AND HOW TO REACH
IT (Foreign Mission Board of the SBC, 1990):

From 33AD to 1990AD
34,903 million people have been born
8,286 million people have been called 'Christian' (24%)

How many of them are REAL Christians (God's list)
we don't know. But if it were about 10%, then there
would be about 800 Million around the throne.

(Some say I should count also the saved Jews under
the Old Covenent, but I suspect even though
it was 1,000 years from King David to Jesus, there
are less than 30 Million such persons. 30 Million
is way less than the error of knowing how many
nominal Christians were REAL Christians.
If there were 4,000 Million REAL Christians that
would be less than half the nominal Christians
and what Christ said about the narrow path would
still be valid. So somewhere between 80 Million
and 4,000 Million Real Saved folks isn't going to
be bothered much by some 30 Million OT saints).

I believe then that these multitude of saints where those
raptured & resurrected at the Pretribulation resurrection/rapture
who 'came out' of great tribulation by being taken to heaven
before the Tribualtion Period begins.

Ed, while I don't question the motives behind those who have compiled the figures you quote, I do question the figures, a bit. Current World population is estimated at a few over 6. 6 billion people, give or take a couple million. With the world's total population now fairly well estimated to have reached the mark of 1 Bill. shortly after 1800; and no doubt due to some small attrition due to the many wars of the 19th and 20th Centuries, various plagues such as typhoid (" This is chicken is really good, Ma'am. You said your name is Mary?), political 'ethnic cleansings' ("What train to Auschwitz, ma'am? And your family was supposed to have been on it? You must be mistaken ma'am. All our trains out of here go to Berlin!"), purges, where some folks just seemed to vanish into thin air, mass graves, gas chambers, perish on the Western prairies of North America ("(Chew, chew!) 'Ptooey!' Don't know exactly what happened here, Captain! But there seems to be some kind of pointed stick plumb through their chests. And them fellers with the braided hair and feathers seem to have some sort of holes through them. With all the blood that run out from all of 'em, it's kinda' hard to tell. 'Ptooey!' It's just my second day out here. Sir?? Yassir! We'll bury 'em, and not leave 'em out in the open. Whazzat, Sir? Nawsir, Shore don't want to keep General Custer waitin'!"), etc. Three Billion was not reached until around 1950; it hit 4 Bill. in 1971; 5 B. around 1987; 6 in late 1999, and 6,658,851,000, as I am typing this. So I do figure the 34 Billion figure for World Population and 8 Billion Christians is far out of line. Especialy since it can be shown thet the total Population of the world with this expanding curve has fewer than 7 Bill.

Ed

 

[tragic_pizza]

The only exercise some folk get is
JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS :BangHead:

Or hopping about, misquoting proof texts, huh?

 

[Ed Edwards]

EdSutton: //Ed, while I don't question the motives behind those who have compiled the figures you quote, I do question the figures, a bit.//

Take it up with the source:

<item has been corrected>
OUR GLObE AND HOW TO REACH
IT (Foreign Mission Board of the SBC, 1990)
by David B. Barrett.

 

[JGrubbs]

Chapter 7 - Deliverance​

http://www.revelationcommentary.org/07_chapter.html​