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Does Salvation require baptistm?
- Thread starter Salty
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OldRegular
Well-Known Member
No! Baptism is not essential to salvation. The thief on the cross was not Baptized and He went to be with the Lord, so there!
Christos doulos
New Member
I am in your camp, but that really is not a good argument.
Christos doulos
New Member
I believe Preacher was clear about his position on the matter.
preacher4truth
Active Member
Is that what I said?
I'd seriously doubt anyones regeneration if said refused baptism. I think the Scriptures are clear enough.
So it's easy to see the person hasn't been saved in the first place.
But hey, if others want to preach and teach something contrary to that sound teaching in the Scriptures, which show behavior of a true sheep, justifying those who willfully don't obey the very first commands of Christ and yet demand that they are saved, then go for it, but you don't have Gods endorsement (nor mine for the record.) I won't stop nor plead it with any of you. It's just more false teaching, and some of it is supported and preached by Baptist preachers.
So you are saying that those like martin Luthor/John calvin etc were not really saved? Non christians?
That God has TWO requirements in order to have eternal life in Christ...
Be saved by grace of God, by faith alone, AND have the "proper" mode of water baptism?
what about those who were infant baptised, sprinkled, and from their tradition and bible teachings, are confiden that is a valid way to administer the baptism...
since they are firmly convinced and persuaded in their mind that they have been properily baptised...
Would that fall under the Lord would honor and recognize for them that would be accounted as being "valid baptism?"
Now IF they desired to membership in a Baptist church, than would have to be redone as believers baptism!
freeatlast
New Member
Let me refer you to post 31 as it is a good answer.
really good answer towards Baptists who refuse to get water baptized, but what about those who are not baptists?
Are they still saved? Does God honor their mode to do it?
freeatlast
New Member
Baptism does not save.
BINGO! :thumbsup:
preacher4truth
Active Member
Disobedient profession doesn't save either.
"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" Luke 6:46
"Why do you call Me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" Luke 6:46
freeatlast
New Member
Yes I agree. No repentance no salvation.
David Lamb
Well-Known Member
I have quickly read through this thread, and it seems to me that the posts are discussing two different matters:
1. Whether a sinner has to be baptized in order to become a Christian (That is the question implied by the thread title, "Does Salvation Require Baptism?")
2. Whether a sinner, having been saved, should be baptized.
As baptists, do we not all hold to Believers' Baptism, in other words, that converted sinners should be baptized? How then can we then say that a person must be baptized in order to become a Christian believer?
In addition, I think there is a huge difference between paedobaptists having a different (as baptists, we would say, unbiblical) understanding of baptism, and someone who says, "I know the Word of God commands me to be baptized, but I refuse!"
1. Whether a sinner has to be baptized in order to become a Christian (That is the question implied by the thread title, "Does Salvation Require Baptism?")
2. Whether a sinner, having been saved, should be baptized.
As baptists, do we not all hold to Believers' Baptism, in other words, that converted sinners should be baptized? How then can we then say that a person must be baptized in order to become a Christian believer?
In addition, I think there is a huge difference between paedobaptists having a different (as baptists, we would say, unbiblical) understanding of baptism, and someone who says, "I know the Word of God commands me to be baptized, but I refuse!"
convicted1
Guest
Water baptism places you in a local church. The baptism of the Holy Ghost(not the WoF/Pentecostals/charismatics teaching, either), is what places you in the body of Christ.
Water baptism is you placing your light on a candlestick(church), where it may give light to the whole house. This doesn't gain salvation. Only grace through faith does.
convicted1
Guest
And "BINGO" was his name-o!!
Baptism is a public confession that you have received Christ. It is like wearing a wedding ring, you are telling the world you are married. If a person refuses to wear a wedding ring is he still married? Yes, but his wife may not be very pleased.
We take baptism lightly, we once had a pastor from India come and speak. Baptism is a big deal there. The church would march through town with the new convert so all could see. They would go down to the river and baptize the new believer. This was a life changing ordeal, often friends and even family would disown the new convert. So, baptism is a public display and confession that you believe in Christ.
We take baptism lightly, we once had a pastor from India come and speak. Baptism is a big deal there. The church would march through town with the new convert so all could see. They would go down to the river and baptize the new believer. This was a life changing ordeal, often friends and even family would disown the new convert. So, baptism is a public display and confession that you believe in Christ.
Trick here though is there are MANY christians who are saved by grace of God, who truely believe their kode of baptism was valid and legit to God!
They do not see themselves as being "In disobedience!"