Does the God you serve repent?

[stanleyg]

Does the God you serve repent ? If so, then you and I most certainly serve different Gods. My God doesn't lie nor repent. His word is perfect. He can't error as yours.

Sure, we may study the same Word of Truth. Yet, there are two versions to the truth, same as there are two sides to each coin. Your God gives His version of the truth and my God gives His. The question is which version of the truth do we trust? Whichever version we trust is where we lay our faith.

God (i.e. creator) gave Adam his version of the truth that thou shalt surely die. The serpent gave Eve his version of the truth that ye shall not surely die. Eve trusted the serpent's version of the truth. Adam http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tailtailed along behind Eve like a puppy. In essence, Eve rose as the head and Adam curled up as her tail.

2Tim2
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Gen6
[6] And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Num23
[19] God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Amen !

 

[EdSutton]

Does the God you serve repent ? If so, then you and I most certainly serve different Gods. My God doesn't lie nor repent. His word is perfect. He can't error as yours.

Sure, we may study the same Word of Truth. Yet, there are two versions to the truth, same as there are two sides to each coin. Your God gives His version of the truth and my God gives His. The question is which version of the truth do we trust? Whichever version we trust is where we lay our faith.

God (i.e. creator) gave Adam his version of the truth that thou shalt surely die. The serpent gave Eve his version of the truth that ye shall not surely die. Eve trusted the serpent's version of the truth. Adam tailed along behind Eve like a puppy. In essence, Eve rose as the head and Adam curled up as her tail.

Amen !

I'm sorry about this one, stanleyg! (However that does not*mean that I repent*, here! ) But I cannot completely or totally* agree with you on this one. Over 30 times in the OT either the LORD or God is said to repent or not repent. Compare that with only one person in the OT is ever* said, as an individual, to repent, and that is Job. And in fact, you actually quoted Gen. 6:6 to the effect that "...it repented the LORD...". And then you cite Num. 23:19 where something else is said, that might be seen at a glance, as contradictory.

Perhaps the real problem*is that we need to re-think the common usage of the word 'repent', with*a more Biblical, and a less theological meaning, in the usage, and get away from the usual idea that 'repent' has to do with sin or sins*, per se.

Ed

P.S. I attempted to show that others can embellish*text, as well. :tongue3:

"*" means I hit a different color, some way or other, as opposed to 'blue'

 

[Amy.G]

The serpent gave Eve his version of the truth that ye shall not surely die.

Actually, I think the serpent gave Eve his version of a lie

 

[stanleyg]

I'm sorry about this one, stanleyg! (However that does not*mean that I repent*, here! ) But I cannot completely or totally* agree with you on this one. Over 30 times in the OT either the LORD or God is said to repent or not repent. Compare that with only one person in the OT is ever* said, as an individual, to repent, and that is Job. And in fact, you actually quoted Gen. 6:6 to the effect that "...it repented the LORD...". And then you cite Num. 23:19 where something else is said, that might be seen at a glance, as contradictory.

Perhaps the real problem*is that we need to re-think the common usage of the word 'repent', with*a more Biblical, and a less theological meaning, in the usage, and get away from the usual idea that 'repent' has to do with sin or sins*, per se.

Ed

P.S. I attempted to show that others can embellish*text, as well. :tongue3:

"*" means I hit a different color, some way or other, as opposed to 'blue'

Even if you change the definition of repent to mean whatever you are talking about the context concerning Noah remains the same that your God was disappointed with His own creation and decided to destroy it. The latter would connotate that your God made a mistake when He made man or didn't foresee the outcome of His creation. Your God had to return to the drawing board and start all over again. He didn't fix the problem, because man is still as corrupt.

My God is the Father of Jesus. He formed the world from the beginning and is aware of its ending. Everything is going exactly as planned. My God is going to purify His earth with fire. Each branch or fruit that is rotten will be burned. There isn't anything that anyone can do to alter the course that my God has set into motion. His word is final! He has left us with the choice to receive the baptism by fire and the Holy Ghost or receive purification through perdition.

Isa55
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Amen!

 

[stanleyg]

The serpent gave Eve his version of the truth that ye shall not surely die.

Actually, I think the serpent gave Eve his version of a lie

Amy. G, you have lied on the serpent.

The author of any statement is the only one, who can define the context of the terms being stated.

God asserts the term "die" in a spiritual context.

The serpent asserts the term "die" in a carnal context.

Since each is the author of their own statement, then both told the truth.

The problem is that Adam or Eve didn't inquire with either God or the serpent to define the context of the word "die".

Each assumed that both were speaking about dying in the same sense of the word.

 

[EdSutton]

Even if you change the definition of repent to mean whatever you are talking about the context concerning Noah remains the same that your God was disappointed with His own creation and decided to destroy it. The latter would connotate that your God made a mistake when He made man or didn't foresee the outcome of His creation. Your God had to return to the drawing board and start all over again. He didn't fix the problem, because man is still as corrupt.

My God is the Father of Jesus. He formed the world from the beginning and is aware of its ending. Everything is going exactly as planned. My God is going to purify His earth with fire. Each branch or fruit that is rotten will be burned. There isn't anything that anyone can do to alter the course that my God has set into motion. His word is final! He has left us with the choice to receive the baptism by fire and the Holy Ghost or receive purification through perdition.

Amen!

Well, first off, I am not participating in the exercise of embellishing and underlining words again, unless I have a good reason, but merely did that before for effect.
Second, I did not mention Noah, at all.
Third, I don't believe I even gave a definition of repent in the first place, so how could I change it, here. However, I will give one shortly.
Now to the particulars. You wrote:

Even if you change the definition of repent to mean whatever you are talking about the context concerning Noah remains the same that your God was disappointed with His own creation and decided to destroy it.

In the first place, I am, for myself, as one living in the dispensation of the grace of God (Eph. 3:2), defining "repent" as to its most common NT usage, namely to change one's mind, hence I said that although 'I was sorry about disagreeing with your POV, I did not repent, here.
However as to Gen. 6:5-8, the Scripture says:

5 Then the LORD[a] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Gen. 6:5-8 - NKJV)

So I didn't say it, the LORD did. I guess a case could be made, in one sense, that via the person and family of Noah, the LORD "returned to the drawing board", but it had nothing to do with God not forseeing the outcome, but rather man not forseeing the outcome of evil. Nor does it in any way "connotate" that "the Lord made a mistake" as you suggested I am saying, which again, I did not.

BTW, the word translated "repent", in the OT, the Hebrew 'nacham' is usually rendered by the NKJV as "relent", which I happen to prefer over the KJV "repent", when referring to God, and that word has to do both with a change of mind and a sense of sorrow. No, as you mentioned, and as Num. 23:19 tells us, God doesn't change His mind, from His perspective, but he does from ours, as His ways are not our ways. However Scripture also tells us that God is and can be grieved, another usage of repent, and the one I see in view, here in Gen. 6:6.

His word is final!

Amen. Let us make sure that His word is what we are saying, for He says, in His Word

Romans 3

God’s Judgment Defended

1 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? 2 Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? 4 Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written:

“ That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged.”[a]

5 But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) 6 Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?
7 For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? 8 And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.

All Have Sinned

9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written:


“ There is none righteous, no, not one;
11 There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
12 They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”[b]
13 “ Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;[c]

“ The poison of asps is under their lips”;[d]
14 “ Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15 “ Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;
17 And the way of peace they have not known.”[f]
18 “ There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

God’s Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. (Rom. 3:1-26 - NKJV)

I dunno'! Sounds pretty stiff to me! Also sounds full of grace, as well.

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

The serpent gave Eve his version of the truth that ye shall not surely die.

Actually, I think the serpent gave Eve his version of a lie

I agree! And welcome to the BB. :wavey: Hope you hagve your flak-jacket and hardhat handy!:BangHead: :laugh: :laugh:
Ed

 

[EdSutton]

Amy. G, you have lied on the serpent.

The author of any statement is the only one, who can define the context of the terms being stated.

God asserts the term "die" in a spiritual context.

The serpent asserts the term "die" in a carnal context.

Since each is the author of their own statement, then both told the truth.

The problem is that Adam or Eve didn't inquire with either God or the serpent to define the context of the word "die".

Each assumed that both were speaking about dying in the same sense of the word.

The correct pont is that Eve listened to the Serpent. And we do not actually know, since it is not stated, whether or not the Serpent even conversed with Adam, at all. But God had told Adam that "In the day you eat of this tree of the knowledge of good and evil, dying, you will die." And that is exactly what happened- they died on the spot, spiritually. and began the longer process of dying physically.

Ed

P.S. Since I hadn't already said this, Welcome to the BB, as well. G'nite, all.

 

[BobRyan]

The cult of Stanley

Even if you change the definition of repent to mean whatever you are talking about the context concerning Noah remains the same that your God was disappointed with His own creation and decided to destroy it. The latter would connotate that your God made a mistake when He made man or didn't foresee the outcome of His creation. Your God had to return to the drawing board and start all over again. He didn't fix the problem, because man is still as corrupt.

My God is the Father of Jesus. He formed the world from the beginning and is aware of its ending. Everything is going exactly as planned. My God is going to purify His earth with fire. Each branch or fruit that is rotten will be burned. There isn't anything that anyone can do to alter the course that my God has set into motion. His word is final! He has left us with the choice to receive the baptism by fire and the Holy Ghost or receive purification through perdition.

This is why cult mentality is so damaging to logic and reason, the integrity of the Bible, the person of God and the Gospel.

Stanley lives by "self pronouncement" not the Word of God. He divides the Bible up - doing a cut-and-paste hatchet job on the Word as it pleases each of his "pronouncements".

That then leads him to do a hatchet job on the God of the Bible - dividing it into different gods.

I have to admit - we can see pretty mach whacko-eisegesis on stanley's part. It is a witness to all who would abandon the Word of God and opt for "self authority" over the Word.

But still "Fun to read".

In Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

The correct pont is that Eve listened to the Serpent. And we do not actually know, since it is not stated, whether or not the Serpent even conversed with Adam, at all. But God had told Adam that "In the day you eat of this tree of the knowledge of good and evil, dying, you will die." And that is exactly what happened- they died on the spot, spiritually. and began the longer process of dying physically.

Ed

P.S. Since I hadn't already said this, Welcome to the BB, as well. G'nite, all.

Very true. I in fact Paul explicitly argues that "EVE was FIRST deceived" it does not argue "Adam was FIRST deceived into listening to Eve and then Eve was deceived".

But there are soooo many "bible facts" that contradict Stanley's "stanleyism" that it is hard to know where to start.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[SBCPreacher]

But there are soooo many "bible facts" that contradict Stanley's "stanleyism" that it is hard to know where to start.

That's the main reason I don't reply to his threads. And the impression I get by reading his posts is that he's not open to any correction.

 

[Amy.G]

Stanley, you said:

The author of any statement is the only one, who can define the context of the terms being stated.

God asserts the term "die" in a spiritual context.

The serpent asserts the term "die" in a carnal context.

Since each is the author of their own statement, then both told the truth.

I'm not sure of your exact point here but Jesus said that the devil was a murderer from the beginning, a liar, the father of lies and there is no truth in him. (John 8:44) No matter how you word it, he lied to Eve because he deceived her.

 

[stanleyg]

I am including a link to Strong's Concordance to research the definition of repent (05162) in respect to the context of Gen6:6 vs. Num23:19.

In each verse the same definition of repent (i.e. to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted) is being asserted by the author or authority who has preserved the scriptures for reproof, correction or instruction.

In a logical argument each verse is a diametric opposition of either/or.

Either A is true or B is false.

Either B is true or A is false.

[A] Gen6
[6] And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

[B] Num23
[19] God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Sorry or regret is a term that man asserts for committing a wrong. Man likewise may either apologize or repent for the wrong that has been done.

God (i.e. the one whom I serve) is incapable of doing wrong. Thus, He never has any need to feel sorrow or regret. Further, it is sacrilege for anyone to even presume that God is ever in a position to apologize or repent.

Apologetics or repentance is a quality exclusively relegated to man.

The serpent has deceived Christian followers the same way he deceived Eve in the garden. He has portrayed himself as God. Yet, his words convict him of being a great deceiver. He slipped up when he said that the Lord repented.

The so called well educated theologians or biblical scholars have taken the bait hook line and sinker. The serpent is using God's own servants to poison the mind of all Christian followers that the God of Abraham, Moses and Jacob is the same Father of Jesus of Nazareth.

Mark my word that one day these so-called men of God will be brought unto repentance as sure as the day is long. Yet, God will not allow them to apologize for their wrong. It is their ministeral duty to know the truth and teach the truth.

I have done all that is in my power to bring these unfaithful men of God into reproof and correction of the truth. The only thing that I have received in return is to be mocked and scorned by so-called followers of Christ.

All I can say in return is thank you for hating me. The more you hate me the greater my King Jesus will honor me in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Amen!

 

[EdSutton]

This is why cult mentality is so damaging to logic and reason, the integrity of the Bible, the person of God and the Gospel.

Stanley lives by "self pronouncement" not the Word of God. He divides the Bible up - doing a cut-and-paste hatchet job on the Word as it pleases each of his "pronouncements".

That then leads him to do a hatchet job on the God of the Bible - dividing it into different gods.

I have to admit - we can see pretty mach whacko-eisegesis on stanley's part. It is a witness to all who would abandon the Word of God and opt for "self authority" over the Word.

But still "Fun to read".

In Christ,

Bob

I do agree with much of what you have written, here, even though I would almost entirely disagree with you on the Mosaic law ["Can you say seventh?" as Fred Rogers, of red sweater and "Won't you be my neighbor?" fame (and who incidentally was also an ordained Presbyterian minister), might have asked.] but that is another thread. As to the "cut-and-paste hatchet job on the Word" I would hazard a guess that stanleyg, no doubt uses a STANLEY® hatchet for this!?!? :tongue3: :laugh: :laugh:

Ed

 

[rbell]

All I can say in return is thank you for hating me. The more you hate me the greater my King Jesus will honor me in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Amen!

So, if someone disagrees with you, they hate you?

hmmm...

 

[stanleyg]

So, if someone disagrees with you, they hate you?

hmmm...

No! I am talking about how these so-called godly men, who use the venom in their tongue to inflame hatred towards me.

Jas3
[1] My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
[2] For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
[3] Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
[4] Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
[5] Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
[6] And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
[7] For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
[8] But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
[9] Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
[10] Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Amen!