Does the New Testament teach us that we can use instrumental music in worship

I appeal to their practices to reveal their thoughts and attitudes. If mourning were their motivation, then why weren't instruments used in the synagogues even after the Second Temple was completed (around 500 B.C.)? The same reason they weren't sacrificing burnt offerings in the synagogues.

 

I am new so forgive me....

Without going back and reading the whole thread I will answer but, I know someone has most likely already done this.

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
The word "psalms" here is "Psalmos", which means "a striking, twanging
of a striking the chords of a musical instrument". So, YES....the New Testament teaches us to use intrumental worship.

lalou'nteß eJautoi'ß ÍejnÑ yalmoi'ß kai; u&mnoiß kai; wj/dai'ß pneumatikai'ß, a~/donteß kai; yavllonteß th'/ kardiva/ uJmw'n tw'/ kurivw/,

Tad

 

gimme a break, when was the last time you plucked your heart

 

When I met Phyllis......

 

Not quite. Your "spirit and truth" quote is great. But Read Romans 12:1...
"Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God—this is your spiritual act of worship." Worship isn't done in absence of the body. It is a spiritual act, done with our entire being, including our physical selves. Jesus told us to love God with our whole being. Worship has a physical and spiritual aspect to it.

As to your questions...

1. yes...it can be obeyed with or without instruments. Look carefully at Ephesians 5:19...Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord. We're commanded to sing...AND make music. So, if we're "making music in our heart," what's wrong with letting our fingers in on it? And why would God encourage us to "make music" in our heart, but somehow make it sinful to do so with our hands? The other way to go here is to say that we are to "sing AND make music"...in our heart. Using that logic, perhaps we're not allowed to sing out loud! Of course, that's a silly argument...but no less so than to declare instrumental music in worship to be forbidden. I think this passage poses significant problems for your interpretation.
2. instrumental worship is not forbidden in worship
3. it is not formally "authorized" by anyone...neither is it forbidden. But GWIT, if you're going to follow this reasoning, then immediately cease singing in 4-part harmony in your church--that's not authorized either.
4. Something's absence from scripture does not make it sin. We've shown that extensively.
5. It can be. Just like everything else, it depends on the heart and motive of the worshipper. No scripture can show otherwise. Your "arguing from silence" also prohibits amplification...scripture doesn't mandate it. Remember your words...it says to sing, nothing more. Well then, get rid of your microphones...'cause you're "adding to Scripture."
6. Unanswerable. It's possible that you're up there singing to impress your girlfriend, or show off your talent, or to make mama happy, or to praise God. That's between you and Him...the same as if you're playing an instrument.
7. I did, thanks.

 

OK, maybe I'm missing something here, but didn't synagogues start in the 400 year period between the OT and NT? I never heard of synagogues before then (which would make one think they would be mentioned in the OT). Still, what I always used to read was that they were used at one point, but then banned in mourning. I guess we need to find somewhere where they themselves explain it. Even still, weare not bound by their tradition, even though if that were true, you would see where it might unofficially pass down to Christians. So that would be another explanation without it being a scriptural ban.

 

There's no doubt that the Greek conquest of Palestine in the Intertestamental Period helped to give synagogal worship the form in which it was found in the First Century, but its rise to prominence was due in large part to the Babylonian Captivity. Bereft of a Temple and a culture, the law and classical Hebrew were in danger of being lost. The synagogue became the institution to preserve them. But, living under Persian rule for 70 years, classical Hebrew died out among the common people, and Chaldee became the language commonly spoken among the Jews, and then later Greek. Classical Hebrew was only preserved among the rabbis.

The synagogal institution is also where the traditions of the elders began. Unable to perform the sacrifices and rituals of cleansing prescribed by Moses, they were substitued by vicarious rites, and reading and commentary became the primary focus of worship. But after some time, the traditions themselves were given more authority than the commandments of God. In some places, it was forbidden even to read the Torah in any language other than Hebrew, even though it was not understood by the common people. The commentary could be given in Greek, but not the reading of the Scripture. (Sounds somewhat like Rome).

 

:laugh: That was my thought too!!:laugh: :laugh:

 

I once plucked an eyebrow. There was nothing joyous about it.

 

I guess this speaks for dancing also...

 

Those who have a spouse or significant other like to know that they are loved. It doesnt matter if it is spoken, whispered, written, shouted, or sung - As long as it is communicated.

I just cannot fathom that our Father would not accept a form of our expression of love toward Him because it is not exactly a certain way. It just goes against what I have seen in the Bible and in my personal life of who He is.

 

Then You should read about Cain and Able.

Amos ch. 6 verse 1 -WOE TO.....
verse 2
verse 3
verse 4
verse 5 That chant to the sound of the viol, and invent to themselves instruments of music, like David;

 

Cain and Abel's was a difference of motive, not so much form.

 

Genesis 4:2 Tells us that Cain was a tiller of the ground and in verse 3 Tells us that he brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

Is it his motive or form ? After Adam and Eve took of the forbidden fruit and fell we read on in Genesis 3:17 that " Cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Then we have Cain taking of the curse and trying to make and offering to the Lord.

Our Flesh is of the Dust of the Earth and So shall it return. Now how can we please God with Carnal things. It must be Spirit and Truth. We all were Cursed in the fall of Adam But We have Hope in Christ Jesus who is a quickening Spirit. God is pleased in Christ Jesus So we must have the Spirit to please God.

So we must Worship him in Spirit and Truth. Like the young Brother said before.
I am done now. may God bless us all ..........Brother Jeremy

 

you are comparing apples and oranges here. God accepted the sacrifice that was given in the right spirit. And I dont see how that relates to having accompaniment in the church, unless its having to do with legalism.

 

So true, what did God need with fruit or an animal. Abel gave out of obedience and from his heart where as Cain brought the worthless fruit from the ground.

I often remind my members not to pay all their bills then see if you have enough to tithe, pay your tithe and trust God will supply your needs.