Does the New Testament teach us that we can use instrumental music in worship

What does this verse have to do with worship? We are discussing what is acceptable in worship but you bring up what will enter the kingdom.

Also, to all you Church musicians, I know this Pastor appreciates each and every one of you and am glad the Lord has placed you in his service... :applause: raise: :applause:

 

10 reasons why posting 10 reasons for anything on the internet is wrong


1) There is no command in the New Testament for Christians to post 10 reasons for anything on the internet.

2) There is no example in the New Testament of a church, apostle, teacher, or any Christian ever posting 10 reasons for anything on the internet.

3) It is not of faith, therefore it is sin (Romans 14:23).

4) It is going beyond that which is written (1 Corinthians 4:6).

5) It violates the command to "sing" (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16). [unless of course you are singing your post, but then all readers must also sing the post, right?]

6) Singing is commanded; the posting 10 reasons for anything on the internet is an "addition" to this command, and therefore it is wrong (Rev. 22:18).

7) The posting 10 reasons for anything on the internet is a failure to "abide in the doctrine of Christ" (2 John 9).

8) Those who are posting 10 reasons for anything on the internet "reject" the authority of Christ (Matthew 28:19; Luke 6:46).

9) It cannot be done "in the name" (or by the authority) of Jesus (1 Corinthians 4:6; Colossians 3:17).

10) From the above evidences, the posting 10 reasons for anything on the internet is obviously not from Heaven, so it must be from men (Matthew 21:25).

From the above Scriptures, we can now "clearly" answer this question, "Can Christians posti 10 reasons for anything on the internet still be pleasing to God?"


In Christian Love,
Aaron

 

yes. it does say God was going to make a new covenant.

but to the house of Judah and to the house of Israel.

not to gentiles.

we are grafted in. and should obey the Root.

Jesus did not do away with the law.

if Jesus did away with the law - we would be free to ignorantly sin.

not so. Jesus spoke of the law and upholded the law throughout the 4 gospel accounts.

so suck it in and obey the moral law. or you're in for a wild ride. either way.

 

Just curious Dustin.

Do you meet in someone's home or do you unbiblically meet in a "church building" to worship. God never tells us to worship in a "church building." Surely that would be sin.

I have to say that of all the CofC teachings this is one that really uses flawed logic. To say the early church did not use instruments is total and absolute conjecture. There are absolutely no NT teachings addressing this issue. If we are going to use the Bible as our only guide. lets do so. The arguement from silence just doesn't fly.

 

First, the NC is with Israel, not the church. So it has not yet been fully brought into being. However, regardless of the point, worship with instruments was not a part of the OC. The OC is not the OT. It is the Law of Moses. I already pointed this out and you ignored it.

You don’t know that it is mentioned “everytime” they used instruments. The bible doesn’t say that.

Because we believe that God is pleased by the use of instruments because he said so.

It is dealing with the evaluation of men, and following men. It has nothing to do with worship.

Really?? Nothing more and nothing less? Do you stand or sit? The Bible doesn’t command it, so whether you stand or sit you are in sin by your standards. Do you use music, or words on the page? That too, is disobedient by your standards. Do you have someone announce the song? If so, then you are disobedient because the Bible doesn’t command that. You see how silly your argument is?

But as we have pointed out, you don’t simply just sing. And a command does not necessarily imply anything other than the command.

So therefore, there is no problem using them.

You don’t know that the early Christians did not use them. Secondly Matt 28 does not command to sing, so on what basis do we sing at all? It commands making disciples. And there are a lot of things in “making disciples” that are not expressed directly. Yet that are still acceptable.

You are incorrect.

But he did, and God hasn’t changed.

Dustin, if you wish to not use instruments that is fine, but for you to forbid others from such is false teaching. It is using God’s name to say something God did not say. You need to give more serious thought to this issue and stop imposing your conscience on the word of God.

 

A long time ago, instruments were not common in church worship. I find it interesting that in this case, theology has sprung up around a tradition.

I do not think the CoC developed this view from a conviction to remove or prevent intruments, but rather for a defense of tradition which has now grown into a part of their understanding of scripture.

Anyone know of any other theological aspects of our churches that hold a basis in tradition rather than conviction?

 

One thing about 'ole Dustin - he's tenacious! He's wrong, but he sure doesn't give up!

 

gotta love that!

 

it just reminds me of the important principle...

...never bring a pitch pipe to a gunfight.

 

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You know, we thought about having a person on staff to play the pitch pipe...

We decided not to...

Because after all, one day, someone has to pay the piper.

 

lol, Gib.
Seriously, though, I have read this thread and not commented yet, because no one is convincing the other side. But lets say that us instrumentalists are wrong and living in blissful ignorance of that fact that God is dishonored by our worship. We are at least obeying by doing it "as unto the Lord", so surely He would be pleased with our effors.
Ok, now lets say that the non-instrumentalists are wrong and living in blissful ignorance of the fact that God enjoys hearing the music His children praise Him with, hours and hours of worship could have been missed.

I am so saddened to see on this thread and others that so many people have such a legalistic view of God.

 

I think age makes me a traditionalist music-wise. I was in a church one Sunday when seven ladies, may have been nine, stood up with bells,,like old schoolyard bells, and started to ring them to the tune of a familiar old hymn. I rather enjoyed that, and instantly thought about the bells ringing in heaven to welcome each newcomer home.

I think there is a place for all kinds of worship, and that even includes the music I dislike...........but then, I dislike peas on the plate because they squash in my mouth, yet mother continued to serve them.

Cheers,

Jim

PS. I still try to play my keyboard even though the fingers can't find the keys.....

 

Jim,
I love to hear a good bell group as well. Especially at Christmas. There are so many ways to worship. I cannot imagine never having instrumental music as part of worship.

 

Tator, In my Anglican Church, the service begins with the choir entering the sanctuary from the back and walking down the middle aisle. They are singing as they go, and it always sets the mood for worship.

In my Baptist churches, service always started with everyone talking and then suddenly the preacher walked out to the platform, stepped up to the pulpit,and you know the rest....I think I prefer the Anglican approach,,,,music sets the mood.

Yes, I can't imagine a service without music.

Cheers,

Jim

PS, What is that song: I sing because I'm happy....I sing because I'm glad,,,,,When Jesus is my Saviour,,,,,,,,,,,,,I sing..............

 

"I sing because I'm happy! I sing because I'm free! His eye is on the sparrow, and I know He watches me." - Is that it??

Our worship service starts with music being played beforehand while people mills around. The choir enters and sings a Call to Worship, usually something like "Surely the Presence of the Lord is in this place" or "Holy Spirit Thou Art Welcome" or "Spirit of the Living God, Fall Fresh on me", something like that. We Baptists tend to run church like a barnyard sometimes, lol. People talk at the beginning during the welcome, during the offertory, lol, and you know the rest. Trying to work on that. Hmm. here's a thought, maybe a pitch pipe would let them know that we are about to start. :saint:

 

Your red herrings are no more effective than your arguement from silence.

I contend that since the early church met in homes and God never told us to meet in dedicated buildings that dedicated church buildings are outside of God's commands and therefore sin.

Your arguement in support of a church building is exactly what everyone here has said to you about instruments. God doesn't specify how to sing, He just says sing. Some of us choose to do so with instruments just as you choose to worship in a building. Clearly neither is sin, against God, or unbiblical.

 

Did you mean "should"? We "can" do anything. Doesnt mean its right. Worshipping in a building - yes the Bible says to assemble. It says to worship. It says to pray. Doesnt specifically tell us the recipe that God desires, does it? Why just pick on singing?? Are you parroting what you have been taught? I did that for years, and its freeing to let the Word speak for itself.