Does the New Testament teach us that we can use instrumental music in worship

Please give us specific NT scripture that says we are NOT to use instruments in worship.

 

So your NOT going to show me specifically where the NT forbids the use of instruments?

I've never had cake and pie to the Lord's supper.
I think baptizing babies is a waste of time.
I've never used incense in worship.

The NT says nothing about wearing a coat and tie in worship. Do your men wear coat and ties? If so, they need to stop.

 

You've never been able to justify your point. If you can show me specifically where the NT forbids instruments in worship, I will stop using them. Not where it doesn't say it, but where it does.

 

GWiT -

God made music - he let David use music to glorify him in the OT - God does not change - God will be glorified by music anytime that it is of faith.

you will not beable to prove your point. you operate off of opinion.

that since it doesn't say it in the NT - we shouldn't do it.

if i go and tell someone to go get in the shower - what do they do? well they get in the shower and turn the water on.

but i didn't tell them to turn the water on - i said to get in the shower - nothing more nothing less.

why did they turn the water on? well - water accompanies a shower - so they turned the water on.

God wants us to sing. and so i sing while i play guitar. but God didn't tell me to play my stringed instrument.

ITS COMMON SENSE THAT MUSIC ACCOMPANIES VOCALS.
the only exception is accapella music.
(caps for emphasis not yelling)

but to have instrumental accompaniment is not sin. you havn't proven it.

 

Acts 17:24,25

Acts 17:25 says that we can not worship God with our hands... also verse 24 is very applicable.

We can only worship him in spirit and in truth.

However, we can still sing praises unto Him and rejoice before Him and the use of instruments is fine - the problem arises when we sing / perform / play, etc. music that does not please Him - that is possible to know and understand. If it appeals to our flesh (rhythms, arrangements, jazz, rock, etc.) than it means nothing to God as it would quench and grieve the Holy Spirit...

Just a thought!

 

Obviously, there were universal laws and principles included in the Law that carry on. Killing and stealing have not become OK. You may say that is included in the "new law" now, but they obviously were apart of both, and hence universal.
But you have not shown that instruments are specifically fixed to the OT, and for them to be so, they have to be temporary shadows of Christ.

 

Wow! Close to 200 posts trashing or touting musical instruments in a worship service!!

Boy, I'm sure this is REALLY helping to increase the number of lost folks you guys have been praying for and witnessing to, isn't it?

(Assuming you guys do know about that Acts 1:8 passage. Let's see, now how does that passage go? Oh yes, now I remember!)

 

And if you can't find scriptures that prove that rock, jazz, etc necessarily feed the flesh, and that only "Japheth" music with little rhythm and plain arrangements are good, then you are worse than the Campbellists!
It's scary how strongly youfeel about thus racial music issue that you have to inject it into the discussion even when it is basically OT.
Hey, Aaron, now that you're back, why don't you go and check out this guy's site, and then tell me if your "style" issue is not racially charged to the core!

Ktn4eg, you have to understand that in this world of religious oneupmanship, people exalting their own sectarian and/or cultural traditions IS seen as saving the lost! After all, people who use instuments are lost to one group, and people with too much rhythm are either lost or backslidden, and will only give the lost a false conversion according to the other group!
I think an even more pertinent scripture is the one about those who preach Christ only out of envy and strife!

 

GWiT - you ignored the rest of my post.
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i read this morning in psalms that David praised God with the harp. also that David sang unto the Lord with instruments.

Psalms 33:2 - Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.

Psalms 71:22 - I will also praise thee with the psaltery, even thy truth, O my God: unto thee will I sing with the harp, O thou Holy One of Israel.

Psalms 98:5 - Sing unto the LORD with the harp; with the harp, and the voice of a psalm.

Psalms 147:7 - Sing unto the LORD with thanksgiving; sing praise upon the harp unto our God

just a few from the psalms. seems David meant singing more then just voice. resonance as well.

so i will sing praises unto God with my stringed instrument with voice - for God has not changed - He is the same yesterday - today - and forever.

GWiT - you have got no scriptural support that having instruments alone - or instruments with vocals - is sin.

you merely pose with an opinion based on sand. sorry.

Psalms 150:3 - Praise him with the sound of the trumpet: praise him with the psaltery and harp.

 

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I've searched the Book of Acts and the Epistles and Revelation, and I simply cannot find where fellows like the Apostle Paul risked life and limb to spread the message of eternal damnation to those lost souls because they either chose or did not choose to employ instrumental music or the lack thereof.


OTOH, there are passages such as this:

8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair;
9 Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed:
10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus might be made made manifest in our body.

----2 Corinthians 4:8-10

 

And yet you have posted twice, off topic. Why don't you start a thread about worthless debates and it's effect on the lost.

 

uh. the psalms are not part of any law. get that into your head.

what was taken away was the carnal ordinances and traditions of men when Christ died on the cross - Hebrews explains that more. i think its hebrews 9 or something.

but you'll just be stubborn about it and not abide by God's law - which will get you nowhere fast.

Jesus supported and encouraged everybody to obey the law. can't you understand that?

psalms is not part of any law - can't you understand that? gosh. some people's kids.

you claim Jesus said that the psalms were part of the law - where do you find that?

a shower does not always involve water - you think it does because everybody else gets in the shower and turns the water on - we've all been following everybody else like a herd of cattle - they turn on the water in the shower - so we think that a shower should always involve water. but it doesn't. you can get in the shower - and then stand there for 5 minutes - and then get out. look at that - you were in the shower area without water.

you've been stubborn for the past 18 pages - trying to get people to believe in your opinion.

if anybody wants to check out some music i recorded you can do so at: www.myspace.com/acousticwaves - hopefully a new song will be posted within a week or so. it's gonna be great.

praise the Lord with your instruments those who have instruments! everything we do may it be in faith towards God Almighty.

Any musicians out there... ready to virtually jam? -->

 

I can worship God with instruments without his command to do so. It is out of a heart of willingness to worship.

 

GWIT said:

by saying sing it automatcally forbids it, when God told noah to use gopher wood he used gopher wood nothing more nothing less.

Wrong again.

Point 1: If the command is to use "gopher wood," then the use of "pine wood" directly contradicts the command, because to the extent that Noah would have used pine, he would have failed to use gopher.

Point 2: On the other hand, the Bible does not record God telling Noah how to fasten the gopher wood together, for example, with nails, screws, dowels, or spit and baling wire. We can infer (unless God gave other unrecorded instructions to Noah) that he was free to use whatever method he wished, and that it was not a violation of the command to make use of mechanical fasteners of any kind.

The command to "sing" is closer to point 2 than point 1, because just as nails are a tool to aid building with wood, instruments are an aid to singing. One does not fail to sing by singing to an accompaniment. Therefore, the command is not the same as the example in Point 1.

Basic logic 101. You have commited a clear categorical error. This has been pointed out to you already. Your failure to acknowledge this is evidence not of our being mistaken, but of you being a sophist.

 

That is not true. All of the prohibitions against all the different types of incest are not repeated in the NT. But we know by principle, and the spirit of the Law that they are still sinful.
The use of instruments were not points of the law, so they do not "pass away" with the Law.