Does the RCC have any boundaries?

[canadyjd]

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Well if you are ignorant of what protocols are in place to protect Catholic kids……?

Our church didn’t need to put new protocols into place to protect our children.

We taught our children to immediately tell us if someone did something inappropriate and then we put them into jail.

The fact you needed new protocols to protect your children is an admission you weren’t protecting them before.

What you have done here is to derail the thread about an obviously unbiblical statement from your Pope that priests can “bless” same s:x couples into a discussion about Catholic pedophiles and Baptist abusers.

I understand you see your effort here to be an apologist for the RCC. That must be difficult on a Baptist board.

Your Pope is in error. Shame on him. He is giving the enemies of God great occasion to blaspheme. He should apologize and resign in shame.

peace to you

 

[Cathode]

Our church didn’t need to put new protocols into place to protect our children.

That’s what Catholics said years ago, it was unthinkable. Learn from it.

We taught our children to immediately tell us if someone did something inappropriate and then we put them into jail.

Right, so only after kids have life destroying incident with abusers, you will then act. That is reactive not proactive, and doesn’t protect kids. Getting background checks and seriously vetting and licensing those working with children is a major part of the new protocols. And many other things.

The fact you needed new protocols to protect your children is an admission you weren’t protecting them before.

That’s right, we were like you thinking we didn’t need these protocols. If you look at the long but incomplete list of baptist abusers I posted, you should put these protocols in place.
It’s about protecting all kids, not crowing the moral superiority of your denomination, or nursing your prejudices against Catholics.

Whilst you are vigorously accusing Catholics, you are ignorant of the enormous child abuse happening among Baptist’s.
Do I need to post that long list of Baptist abusers again for you to understand that this evil phenomenon is across society, and even worse in secular institutions.

I’m not asking loaded questions like ‘ What is it about Baptist’s that attracts these predators ? ‘.
They are everywhere, it’s Satan’s attack on all humanity.

 

[canadyjd]

You are correct. The protocols for background checks, always having two people with kids. Never having a man aline with kids of any age etc have been in place for decades.

Like I said, we don’t need new protocols. In addition, we don’t give people second, third, fourth chances to abuse our children. We put them in jail.

Catholics send their pedo priests to another city to abuse other kids (after telling them to say 10 Hail Marys of course and “giving” them forgiveness)

peace to you

 

[Walter]

Catholics send their pedo priests to another city to abuse other kids (after telling them to say 10 Hail Marys of course and “giving” them forgiveness)

Some dioceses were guilty of sending 'pedo priests' to other dioceses long ago but no more. As far as the consequences for priests that are guilty of ANY kind of sexual abuse the Catholic Church, imposes a life of prayer and penance as a type of penalty used to deal with clergy for crimes and misconduct. It is typically imposed on elderly priests as opposed to younger priests, who face harsher penalties. Your flippant 'ten hail Mary's' accusation is untrue and out of line.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have no hope that you will educate yourself on the changes the Catholic Church has made, you are in a comfortable ignorance.

Easy to be an accuser, it stems from the lowest darkest place. Being fair minded is impossible with that starting point. I don’t think you care more about Catholic kids than Catholics themselves.



Yes, historically. Not today. It’s something Catholics have addressed.

Yea, now they don’t hesitate to call the cops and have the perpetrators arrested. Now the parents of the child in question will file charges and go to court to have someone put in jail for deplorable sexual activity and the courts are less likely to have sympathy for the accused. This is long time coming!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You are correct. The protocols for background checks, always having two people with kids. Never having a man aline with kids of any age etc have been in place for decades.

Like I said, we don’t need new protocols. In addition, we don’t give people second, third, fourth chances to abuse our children. We put them in jail.

Catholics send their pedo priests to another city to abuse other kids (after telling them to say 10 Hail Marys of course and “giving” them forgiveness)

peace to you

Again we are now operating in a no tolerance for child abuse world. It’s a shame that so many children in the past had to suffer the indignity in order to get to this place.

 

[canadyjd]

…..the Catholic Church, imposes a life of prayer and penance as a type of penalty used to deal with clergy for crimes and misconduct…...

The RCC “imposes” a life of prayer and penance as punishment for crimes and misconduct.

Only the RCC would consider “prayer” to be punishment for crimes. How sad.

Does penance include saying “hail Mary”s and “Our Father”s? Yes or no?

Peace to you

 

[Cathode]

The RCC “imposes” a life of prayer and penance as punishment for crimes and misconduct.

Only the RCC would consider “prayer” to be punishment for crimes. How sad.

Prayer is an important part of repentance. Without Grace people can’t change their lives. It’s mostly about amending ones life. Punishment without amendment is worthless.

Does penance include saying “hail Mary”s and “Our Father”s? Yes or no?

Yes amongst other things. Repentance is about changing your life not just about punishment.
In medieval times, people were sent on pilgrimage to the Holy Land where they could be killed and enslaved by Muslims. It focused more on the punishment side than the amendment side of repentance.

Some in the early church imposed public confession of sin as punishment, but this lead to many not confessing sin at all and not amending their lives.

The main purpose of penance is leading people to change their lives.

 

[canadyjd]

I believe the RCC should “impose a life time of prayer and penance” upon your Pope for this ridiculous, unbiblical statement that priest should “bless” sam s:x couples.

I think I read somewhere your Pope believes Mary is “co-redemptor” with Jesus, so saying a life time of “Hail Mary”s will bring great blessing to him; at least in his own mind.

peace to you

 

[Cathode]

I believe the RCC should “impose a life time of prayer and penance” upon your Pope for this ridiculous, unbiblical statement that priest should “bless” sam s:x couples.

I think I read somewhere your Pope believes Mary is “co-redemptor” with Jesus, so saying a life time of “Hail Mary”s will bring great blessing to him; at least in his own mind.

Jesus was flesh of Mary’s sinless flesh, suffering with Jesus on the Cross, knowing Jesus intimately from conception.

“ and a sword will pierce your own soul—that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”

Mary so loved the world that she gave her only begotten son, as a mother, and Jesus gave her to us.
Mary fully accepted God’s plan of sacrificing Jesus for all mankind, though all her being wanted to love and protect Him as she had always done.

Jesus trying to comfort His mother and Mary trying to comfort her Son on the Cross, both in desolation.

When Jesus heart was pierced, Mary’s heart was pierced because Jesus was flesh of Mary’s sinless flesh, what Jesus felt physically, Mary felt spiritually.

Christ the new Adam and Mary the new Eve one flesh at the redemption of all mankind, both man and woman redeemed from the Fall.

 

[Cathode]

You are correct. The protocols for background checks, always having two people with kids.

That’s just one.

Never having a man alone with kids of any age etc have been in place for decades.

One of the sad things about these times is the isolation of men from children, their natural protectors.
Men are under immediate suspicion, it has become the unspoken norm.

People instantly say programmed perfectly ‘ Well men make up the majority of child abusers ‘, and this is not true. Even accounting for the difference of time spent with children between men and women, women abuse children more, yet are the least suspected, and women are the more likely to kill children. Much of women’s abuse of children is held secret to the grave.

The nasty secret of women’s unquestioned impunity is being unveiled in these inverse times, and Grace is revealing it.

Women should not be left alone with children either.

I was shown by Grace in street ministry the evil women inflict on children, psychologically, physically and sexually.
There is a particular sign they give off that can only be seen in the Spirit and it is very common.
It goes against everything we assumed and thought true, it went against everything I assumed anyway, women were the last sacred bastion in the world. That was shattered, evil is everywhere.

We can’t assume kids are safe alone with anyone in these times.

One thing I know, is that the veil is lifting by Grace, people are being revealed for what they are and have done, women included. Eve’s cooperation with the serpent will be revealed. Women will face the same accountability as men, impunity is being completely removed.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I believe the RCC should “impose a life time of prayer and penance” upon your Pope for this ridiculous, unbiblical statement that priest should “bless” sam s:x couples.

I think I read somewhere your Pope believes Mary is “co-redemptor” with Jesus, so saying a life time of “Hail Mary”s will bring great blessing to him; at least in his own mind.

peace to you

This Francis character has nothing on his past two predecessor's. Here is a good example if you will indulge me… one speaks of honoring and becoming saints for the church in an effort to expand Christs Body Vs this guys concerns about priests “blessing” same s:x couples. ​

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That’s just one.



One of the sad things about these times is the isolation of men from children, their natural protectors.
Men are under immediate suspicion, it has become the unspoken norm.

People instantly say programmed perfectly ‘ Well men make up the majority of child abusers ‘, and this is not true. Even accounting for the difference of time spent with children between men and women, women abuse children more, yet are the least suspected, and women are the more likely to kill children. Much of women’s abuse of children is held secret to the grave.

The nasty secret of women’s unquestioned impunity is being unveiled in these inverse times, and Grace is revealing it.

Women should not be left alone with children either.

I was shown by Grace in street ministry the evil women inflict on children, psychologically, physically and sexually.
There is a particular sign they give off that can only be seen in the Spirit and it is very common.
It goes against everything we assumed and thought true, it went against everything I assumed anyway, women were the last sacred bastion in the world. That was shattered, evil is everywhere.

We can’t assume kids are safe alone with anyone in these times.

One thing I know, is that the veil is lifting by Grace, people are being revealed for what they are and have done, women included. Eve’s cooperation with the serpent will be revealed. Women will face the same accountability as men, impunity is being completely removed.

Well here is where I agree with you. I hesitate to vilify the teaching nuns I had as a kid in Catholic School but many of them were evil… from corporal punishment to shaming & humiliating children … I could go on but most Catholic kids from my era can testify to abuse verging on sado-
masochistic.

 

[Cathode]

Well here is where I agree with you. I hesitate to vilify the teaching nuns I had as a kid in Catholic School but many of them were evil… from corporal punishment to shaming & humiliating children … I could go on but most Catholic kids from my era can testify to abuse verging on sado-masochistic.

All society was like that. People forget secular schools did the same and worse, people were a lot harder as a society in times past. Remember it well.

Nuns weren’t paid either, a whole lifetime of thankless dedication to teaching badly behaved kids in many cases.

Same with handfuls of nuns starting hospitals, these hospitals are the backbone of our country’s medical system now, something our governments could never afford to recreate.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

All society was like that. People forget secular schools did the same and worse, people were a lot harder as a society in times past. Remember it well.

Nuns weren’t paid either, a whole lifetime of thankless dedication to teaching badly behaved kids in many cases.

Same with handfuls of nuns starting hospitals, these hospitals are the backbone of our country’s medical system now, something our governments could never afford to recreate.

What the heck are you talking about, badly behaved children?!? You mean it was justifiable to flay kids with pointer sticks, beat them with leather belts, smash their heads into chalk boards etc? You have to be kidding me. None of my friends in the state run public schools ever contended with that type of abuse!

 

[Cathode]

What the heck are you talking about, badly behaved children?!?

Yes, badly behaved children. It’s a concept rarely known or talked about today, but in times past children did in fact behave badly. Unlike today when children can do no wrong

You mean it was justifiable to flay kids with pointer sticks, beat them with leather belts, smash their heads into chalk boards etc?

No it’s not what I mean and you know it. Don’t make it sound like the norm, I lived through that system.
Some nuns were bad, but most were good.

You have to be kidding me. None of my friends in the state run public schools ever contended with that type of abuse!

No you’re kidding me. State run schools were the worst.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You really don’t know what you are talking about… that’s obvious. In fact, visit any Alcholics Anonymous meeting in New Jersey and listen to the story’s…half or more will reach back into their Catholic school upbringing….horrible treatment!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I was taught by my Italian mother two things, 1. Respect your elders, especially the religious… never talk back and never act out in any way. 2. Never rat, never squal on anyone…. So they set me up for these nuns abuse. When they hit me with the pointer I silently took the hit. When they smashed my head into the blackboard for not understanding a math problem… until one day I came home with noticeable bruises. My old man made me tell him the truth. You never saw my father so pissed off. That abuse ended right there and I told my mother and my aunt to remove my brother & cousins from those frustrated lesbos and they did… good by tuition money, uniforms, book bills etc and good riddenceto those witches. My brother rose to prominence for good grades in the math and science classes (which the Catholic school didn’t have) and excelled in sports…again no physical ed classes at St. Mary’s. The cousins also blossomed in the public school system. I blame the nuns for being lying hypocrites because they told my parents we were all little angels in PTA meetings but the next day in class (with out any parental supervision) these women were abusive. You literally created walking into that Catholic school. They used fear & intimidation equal to the German Gestapo as there tools for control, never a kind word and never a well done… and I hate them even today. So don’t give me any back talk about my experiences with RC Nuns… got it.

 

[canadyjd]

Jesus was flesh of Mary’s sinless flesh, suffering with Jesus on the Cross, knowing Jesus intimately from conception.

“ and a sword will pierce your own soul—that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.”

Mary so loved the world that she gave her only begotten son, as a mother, and Jesus gave her to us.
Mary fully accepted God’s plan of sacrificing Jesus for all mankind, though all her being wanted to love and protect Him as she had always done.

Jesus trying to comfort His mother and Mary trying to comfort her Son on the Cross, both in desolation.

When Jesus heart was pierced, Mary’s heart was pierced because Jesus was flesh of Mary’s sinless flesh, what Jesus felt physically, Mary felt spiritually.

Christ the new Adam and Mary the new Eve one flesh at the redemption of all mankind, both man and woman redeemed from the Fall.

First: Mary wasn’t sinless. Jesus is the ONLY sinless person to walk the earth after Adam and Eve fell into sin.

Second: Mary had at least 6 other children after Jesus. She was not a perpetual virgin.

Third: God the Father gave His only begotten Son. Jesus’s life was not Mary’s to give.

Fourth: Mary can redeem no one. The only person that can redeem is Jesus.

Fifth: Mary certainly receives honor from God as the bearer of the Messiah. But that is as far as it goes.

Sixth: To claim Jesus is the 2nd Adam and Mary is the 2nd Eve and they were “one flesh” is very creepy since “one flesh” refers to intimate relations within marriage…. You might want to rethink that.

Hope that helps clear up the confusion over Mary that many in the RCC has.

BTW… Your Pope’s statement that priests can “bless” same s:x couples is shameful. No wonder so many Catholics are confused.

peace to you

 

[Mikoo]

First: Mary wasn’t sinless. Jesus is the ONLY sinless person to walk the earth after Adam and Eve fell into sin.

Second: Mary had at least 6 other children after Jesus. She was not a perpetual virgin.

Third: God the Father gave His only begotten Son. Jesus’s life was not Mary’s to give.

Fourth: Mary can redeem no one. The only person that can redeem is Jesus.

Fifth: Mary certainly receives honor from God as the bearer of the Messiah. But that is as far as it goes.

Sixth: To claim Jesus is the 2nd Adam and Mary is the 2nd Eve and they were “one flesh” is very creepy since “one flesh” refers to intimate relations within marriage…. You might want to rethink that.

Hope that helps clear up the confusion over Mary that many in the RCC has.

BTW… Your Pope’s statement that priests can “bless” same s:x couples is shameful. No wonder so many Catholics are confused.

peace to you

That cathode response couldn't be more apparent of the false gospel of the rc denomination (blasphemous IMO). SHM. Sad really.