Does The RCC See faithful Jews/Muslims going to heaven?

[Yeshua1]

because they worship the same God, and are seen as being "people of the Book?"

 

[The Biblicist]

because they worship the same God, and are seen as being "people of the Book?"

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amonst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankin's judge on the last day." Catholic Church Catechism, 2nd Ed. p. 223

Muslims deny the Trinity. Muslims deny the diety of Christ - Jn. 17:3

 

[Yeshua1]

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amonst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankin's judge on the last day." Catholic Church Catechism, 2nd Ed. p. 223

Muslims deny the Trinity. Muslims deny the diety of Christ - Jn. 17:3

They see the jewish people in same light, correct?

EVEN if they deny Yeshua as messiah?

 

[33ad]

You Deny the church Jesus founded and they give you a chance who far should Jesus let hersey go

The baptist churches
Deny the real presence in the holy Eucharist

Permenent marriage as jesus told us 4 times

You deny baptism to the most needy, children

It's called blissfully ignorant Jesus talked about it in the bible.

 

[DHK]

You Deny the church Jesus founded and they give you a chance who far should Jesus let hersey go

The baptist churches
Deny the real presence in the holy Eucharist

Permenent marriage as jesus told us 4 times

You deny baptism to the most needy, children

It's called blissfully ignorant Jesus talked about it in the bible.

Say again?
Who is blissfully ignorant of the Word of God?
Ye do err not knowing the Scriptures neither the power of God.

 

[The Biblicist]

You Deny the church Jesus founded and they give you a chance who far should Jesus let hersey go

Quite the contrary! It is YOU who deny the church Jesus founded by gathering "Baptist" materials prepared by John (see Lk. 1:17) with a "Baptist" gospel that demands "fruits of repentance" or regenerative fruits PRIOR to baptism (Mat. 3:6-8; Lk. 24:47). It is you that deny the counsel of God against yourself (Lk. 7:29-30).

The baptist churches
Deny the real presence in the holy Eucharist

So does Paul - Romans 4:6-12. Not one Catholic on this forum has dared to attempt to respond to my thread entitled "The Blessedness - Rom. 4:6-8"! Why not if you really have the truth? What are you afraid of? Deal with that thread EXEGETICALLY? I dare you!

You deny baptism to the most needy, children

Your ignorant of the sciptures!

1. Dying infants are not in danger of damnation because damnation is "according to his works" and dying infants have no works. They are saved exactly as they were brought under condemnation "by one man's obedience"

2. There is not one explicit account of infant baptism under the New Covenant.

 

[Fred's Wife]

because they worship the same God, and are seen as being "people of the Book?"

Absolutely NOT!

First of all, Allah is not a father and he has no son—this is what the Qur’an says. The Qur’an says, “Say not three…” Don’t have this nonsense of the Trinity, okay? Allah was the name of the chief God of the Ka’aba—in fact, “Allah” is a contraction of “Al-Ilah,” meaning “the chief God.” “Ilah” is the word for “God” in Arabic. I don’t know anything about Arabic, but I can find that out! I can read the Qur’an. You’ve got the word “G-O-D” in the Qur’an, in the English translation of the Qur’an, over and over and over.

http://www.thebereancall.org/content/isnt-allah-just-another-name-god

 

[33ad]

Are any baptist directly ordained by the apostles no!

Acts-1

 

[33ad]

There is no explicit passage that people wait until the age of reason to get baptized

That is the problem with sola scriptoria As stated

In acts. 8
1 Tim

 

[The Biblicist]

Are any baptist directly ordained by the apostles no!

Acts-1

Yes. The head of the Church was baptized by a "Baptist" - Mt. 3;15-17 and he ordained all the apostles.

 

[The Biblicist]

There is no explicit passage that people wait until the age of reason to get baptized

That is the problem with sola scriptoria As stated

In acts. 8
1 Tim

You can't be serious?!? You cannot find a single solitary baptism in scripture that was not preceded by repentance and faith. You cannot find a single solitary baptism in scripture of infants.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Are any baptist directly ordained by the apostles no!

Acts-1

And no Catholic, either.

 

[Melanie]

I am quite happy to mind my own house as it were, not to criticise nor calumanate my neighbour, and leave judgement to the great Judge who sees in all mens hearts.

 

[33ad]

Is there an exact date when
Rome
Ireland
Ethiopia
India
Constanople
Russia

All changed from baptist like beliefs to catholic like beliefs simulantously independent from each other. And what would be the reason. Since I see it as impossible since places like India were completely out of the sphere of influence

Mmmmmmmm

 

[Yeshua1]

Absolutely NOT!

i did NOT state that I held to that belief, but IF RCC still did!

 

[DHK]

Is there an exact date when
Rome
Ireland
Ethiopia
India
Constanople
Russia

All changed from baptist like beliefs to catholic like beliefs simulantously independent from each other. And what would be the reason. Since I see it as impossible since places like India were completely out of the sphere of influence

Mmmmmmmm

The RCC did not come into existence until the fourth century when Constantine married the state and Christendom together. That is when the idolatrous monster of the RCC began.

Before that time, Paul wrote a letter to the church at Rome. Obviously it was already in existence. Neither Peter or Paul had been there. In the last chapter he gives greetings to Aquilla and Priscilla and to the church that is in their household. There is some evidence that they were the ones that started the church in Rome, though we don't know for sure.

In Ireland, many believe that the one that we commonly call as "St. Patrick" took the gospel to that nation.

It was the Ethiopian Eunuch that took the gospel back to that part of the world. Philip led him to the Lord as he traveled back to his own nation.

Thomas was a missionary to India and landed there in 52 A.D. He did a marvelous work for the Lord in spreading the gospel, in starting churches, until he was finally martyred by a Brahmin priest in 72 A.D. who thrust a spear through him.

Constantinople is near to Ephesus. If it wasn't reached by Paul himself it would have been reached by one of the churches that Paul started.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amonst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankin's judge on the last day." Catholic Church Catechism, 2nd Ed. p. 223

Muslims deny the Trinity. Muslims deny the diety of Christ - Jn. 17:3

This is kind of misleading. The question possed of the Muslims and salvation is how do we view this group of people

This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

. Of which muslims are a part. And of all people who fall into this catagory we find that Muslims

acknowledge the Creator

;

profess to hold the faith of Abraham

and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day

However, we must understand too that

In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them:

So that

To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.

 

[Yeshua1]

This is kind of misleading. The question possed of the Muslims and salvation is how do we view this group of people . Of which muslims are a part. And of all people who fall into this catagory we find that Muslims; However, we must understand too that So that

So is jesus the Ark for the World, or the catholic Church then?

 

[Thinkingstuff]

So is jesus the Ark for the World, or the catholic Church then?

What is the body of Christ? hint Eph 5:23; Romans 12:5;

 

[Yeshua1]

What is the body of Christ? hint Eph 5:23; Romans 12:5;

The saved by the grace of God, both living and the dead, NOT any particular church so called here on earth, for salvation is in the name of jesus ALONE, NOT the RCC/baptist etc church!