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Does the SDA SEE Ellen White Just as Inspired as Isaiah and Paul
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BobRyan
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We believe in "ONE God in THREE persons" - not a bunch of tiny gods that speak to different prophets.
We believe in James 2 -- all of it.
We believe Numbers 12:6 "is true"
We believe that Isaiah 30:8-11 is actually true.
We believe that Eph 4:11-14 is actually true.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. (1 John 3)
We believe that 1Cor 14:1 is actually true.
We believe that 1Cor 12 is true.
We believe that Rev 19:10 is true as well as Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
We do not believe in a bunch of tiny little gods talking to Agabus in Acts, or Anna in the Gospels or Philip's 4 daughters or the "Each one has a revelation" in 1Cor 14.
Rather all of them are hearing from the "ONE God in THREE persons".
As much as this sola-scriptura approach to the subject of spiritual gifts and especially the Bible gift of prophecy - does not sit well with the traditions of man - we choose to accept it as the Bible teaches it -- anyway.
in Christ,
Bob
We believe in James 2 -- all of it.
We believe Numbers 12:6 "is true"
We believe that Isaiah 30:8-11 is actually true.
We believe that Eph 4:11-14 is actually true.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. (1 John 3)
We believe that 1Cor 14:1 is actually true.
We believe that 1Cor 12 is true.
We believe that Rev 19:10 is true as well as Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
We do not believe in a bunch of tiny little gods talking to Agabus in Acts, or Anna in the Gospels or Philip's 4 daughters or the "Each one has a revelation" in 1Cor 14.
Rather all of them are hearing from the "ONE God in THREE persons".
As much as this sola-scriptura approach to the subject of spiritual gifts and especially the Bible gift of prophecy - does not sit well with the traditions of man - we choose to accept it as the Bible teaches it -- anyway.
in Christ,
Bob
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So who is it that believes in such a thing?
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
It means James is correct when HE says "HE Who said do not commit murder ALSO said do not commit adultery".
it means that Numbers 12:6 is correct about the way that the office of prophet works.
And there are no "tiny gods involved" -- just the ONE true God.
it means we cannot assign the true source of the gift of prophecy to some imagined tiny god. If it is the real genuine gift - then it comes from God the Holy Spirit as 1Cor 12 states clearly.
in Christ,
Bob
it means that Numbers 12:6 is correct about the way that the office of prophet works.
And there are no "tiny gods involved" -- just the ONE true God.
it means we cannot assign the true source of the gift of prophecy to some imagined tiny god. If it is the real genuine gift - then it comes from God the Holy Spirit as 1Cor 12 states clearly.
in Christ,
Bob
Ok well I thought you might try to explain it rather than be so cryptic.
Double speak, misdirection and deceit are the hallmark of the SDA.
The bible is the full and final revealtion of God to us, the canon is closed, and the office of the prophets/apostles have ceased to exist..
What revealtion did God supposelty give to Ellen White that He did not give us already in the bible? How can God give addotional revealtions, when he stated there would be no more given by Him?
Again, is Ellen White just a sinpired to be a prophet as isaiah was by God?
BobRyan
Well-Known Member
Hey - you actually said something that is true - nice going!
Also true is -
1. Agabus, Anna, Nathan, Hulda, Deborah, Philips' 4 daughters -- all those in 1Cor 14 - were Bible prophets that wrote not a single book of the Bible.
2. The role of Bible prophets did not require that they also author scripture - as we see in the list above.
3. The actual Canon tells us to listen to God's prophets instead of "making stuff up" about God not able to send prophets after some magic-date one might choose to keep in one's imagination.
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hint:
We believe in "ONE God in THREE persons" - not a bunch of tiny gods that speak to different prophets.
We believe in James 2 -- all of it.
We believe Numbers 12:6 "is true"
We believe that Isaiah 30:8-11 is actually true.
We believe that Eph 4:11-14 is actually true.
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. (1 John 3)
We believe that 1Cor 14:1 is actually true.
We believe that 1Cor 12 is true.
We believe that Rev 19:10 is true as well as Rev 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
We do not believe in a bunch of tiny little gods talking to Agabus in Acts, or Anna in the Gospels or Philip's 4 daughters or the "Each one has a revelation" in 1Cor 14.
Rather all of them are hearing from the "ONE God in THREE persons".
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The Bible tells us to listen and obey Jesus and His prophets/apostles, NOT any one not named in the Book!
BobRyan
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1Thess 5:19-20 does not say "only obey prophets that have died by now" - as we all know.
1John 4:1-5 does not say "do not listen to any more prophets after I put this pen down".
As we all know.
Making stuff up - is not the good replacement for sola scriptura testing of doctrine that some had hoped it to be. But that is exactly how Europe got itself into the dark ages.
Hence -- that list of Bible texts you are so carefully ignoring.
in Christ,
Bob
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We are to heed and obey the prophets and Apsotles Named in the BIBLE, not outside of that final and complete revealtion of God!