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Domestic Division over Syria & Afghanistan.

HankD

HankD

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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
Publicly getting into specific differences with his commander is unmilitary at best. His verbosity in those areas was ill-advised. I expect a reply, one is certainly needed, but I would that it were well thought out first.
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It was at the behest of the Commander-in-Chief.
 
Adonia

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Use of Time said:
I remember the conservative reaction when Obama withdrew troops here in the BB. It’s nowhere to be found all of a sudden. Welcome to politics on the BB.
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Yes, quite true. But at the end of all this is how long must we continue to maintain troops in far flung lands? I have no problem with retaliation against those who did us harm like what we did in Afghanistan after 9-11, but we went into nation building mode instead of striking hard and then getting out. We are still there for heavens sake and it has cost us trillions.

It's always us doing the heavy lifting. Where are our NATO allies? If I am correct, Germany has never sent any combat forces to places like Syria or Afghanistan. They have infantry units and armored forces and it's way past time that countries like that send in ground forces to relieve our war weary units.
 
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Adonia said:
Yes, quite true. But at the end of all this is how long must we continue to maintain troops in far flung lands? I have no problem with retaliation against those who did us harm like what we did in Afghanistan after 9-11, but we went into nation building mode instead of striking hard and then getting out. We are still there for heavens sake and it has cost us trillions.

It's always us doing the heavy lifting. Where are our NATO allies? If I am correct, Germany has never sent any combat forces to places like Syria or Afghanistan. They have infantry units and armored forces and it's way past time that countries like that send in ground forces to relieve our war weary units.
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Because Germany didn’t make this mess. We started the whole upheaval remember? I made these same arguments years ago. It’s just funny now to see it from the people shouting me down.
 
HankD

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Use of Time said:
Because Germany didn’t make this mess. We started the whole upheaval remember? I made these same arguments years ago. It’s just funny now to see it from the people shouting me down.
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It is easy to say "we started the whole upheaval" when in fact it is far more complicated than that.

I do feel however that we often squander precious lives and treasure unnecessarily.
 
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RighteousnessTemperance&

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Adonia said:
Yes, quite true. But at the end of all this is how long must we continue to maintain troops in far flung lands? I have no problem with retaliation against those who did us harm like what we did in Afghanistan after 9-11, but we went into nation building mode instead of striking hard and then getting out. We are still there for heavens sake and it has cost us trillions.

It's always us doing the heavy lifting. Where are our NATO allies? If I am correct, Germany has never sent any combat forces to places like Syria or Afghanistan. They have infantry units and armored forces and it's way past time that countries like that send in ground forces to relieve our war weary units.
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Use of Time said:
Because Germany didn’t make this mess. We started the whole upheaval remember? I made these same arguments years ago. It’s just funny now to see it from the people shouting me down.
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Is there a good reason to consider Germany, or the EU, a close American ally when it comes to gas and oil? A head-nod No would be the correct response here.
 
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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
Which might be true, if gas and oil have nothing to do with what is going on in the Middle East conflicts, or if you have said nothing in response to discussion about any Middle East conflicts.
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So Bush invaded Iraq over oil and not WMD’s? You don’t have to convince me of that. I served over there. Is Trump giving up on oil then because he didn’t mention it in his withdrawal announcement?
 
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RighteousnessTemperance&

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So Bush invaded Iraq over oil and not WMD’s? You don’t have to convince me of that. I served over there. Is Trump giving up on oil then because he didn’t mention it in his withdrawal announcement?
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Well, the basic idea may be there, but a bit backward. Regardless of any US interest in a conflict, another may opt out or even oppose because it conflicts with their own national interests, gas and oil being prime movers. Some could not care less about ideology and the national security of allies, especially if the ally is the US.
 
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I seriously doubt we’d be nearly as involved in the Mid East, or need to be, if not for the fossil fuel. (There is a lot of meaning in that statement.) Bush isn’t my favorite, but Saddam was a madman, and very dangerous. How dangerous I cannot say for sure.
 
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