Domino Effect not just in the Power Grid

[Travelsong]

I want to quickly add this scenario which will be inclusive of all forms of external communication in order to illustrate my point.

If I was exactly the same person I am at this moment in every respect but for the exception that I was completely paralized from head to toe, would I not still be under the same curse of sin? If you answered, yes, you know the reason is because sin has it's origin in the heart, and all of these external expressions of it whether conscious or unconscious are merely symbols that represent our nature, regardless of whether or not they are universal.

 

[Molly]

Originally posted by Travelsong:
How do you know when your cat is hungry?
How do you know when your cat wants to go outside?
How does your cat know when you are angry?
How does your cat know when you are willing to be affectionate?

For just a moment I thought you were quoting lyrics to a song you liked that you sung at your church. That was a scary moment!

Yikes!

Molly

 

[Aaron]

Originally posted by Travelsong:
How do you know when your cat is hungry?
How do you know when your cat wants to go outside?
How does your cat know when you are angry?
How does your cat know when you are willing to be affectionate?

Apply these and many other examples of communication to the entire animal kingdom. It doesn't matter that a particular growl is a universal symbol of aggression in tigers, a growl is not agression, or anger or anything of the sort all by itself, it is only a symbol, a representation, or an indicator of intent.

On the limited scope that humans and animals can communicate, are you saying we have like natures?

In humans, any indicator or symbol or representation of emotion or intent can be reproduced without feeling the emotion or intent. Why? because the emotion is not the symbol itself. Evolution has nothing to do with the discussion. Sin has it's origin in the heart, and nowhere else.

Cats and dogs are more like humans in their natures than say, worms or mosquitos. How do would you communicate with a termite?

Admit it. You rely much more on what is in me than what is outside of me to communicate with me, especially as a musician. You rely completely on my human nature to enjoy your music. If I were a much lower life form, your music would only be so much noise.

 

[Aaron]

This was an interesting discussion worth revisiting.

 

[Travelsong]

Originally posted by Aaron:
This was an interesting discussion worth revisiting.

yes it was. You summarize and go first

Nice to see you again Aaron

 

[Aaron]

Yeah, I took a day or two off from my busy schedule to bring some discussions of merit back to the Music Ministry Forum.

Nice to see you too, but I'm NOT going to put away my sword

This thread came about after a discussion with a fella named Yod who began using charismatic jargon to describe the religious experiences at his concerts, e.g. "the Spirit fell". Basically, he was describing a phenomenon that was due more to the moods incited by the music than to the Spirit of God.

That brought us to the discussion of whether or not there was a link between CCM and the lack of sound doctrine being taught in church these days.

My argument was that CCM caught on faster in charismatic circles because it was:

...it is easier to evoke ecstatic responses with repetitious, heavily rhythmic music than it is with handclapping, hallelujah's, glory's to God, and so on repeated over and over in a mantra-like fashion.

That's one reason why music should be governed, especially in church.

 

[Archeryaddict]

 

[superdave]

So what about this song proclaims another Christ?

Yep, I was wondering the same thing.

 

[Aaron]

Bumping this up. A lot of good points in this discussion . . .