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Don’t like Trump? Would he do this?

FollowTheWay

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We support Saudi Arabia because Iran is worse. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We teamed up with Stalin in the 1940's because Hitler was worse, so this kind of stuff is done all the time.
We did Iran a great favor by taking down their greatest enemy, Iraq. That wasn't too smart was it?
 

FollowTheWay

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Hitler had the immediate goal of conquering our historic allies. Stalin had no such short term goal.
But now we've turned our back on all of our historic allies. None of them want Trump to visit them (UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc.).
 

Reynolds

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But now we've turned our back on all of our historic allies. None of them want Trump to visit them (UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc.).
Trump was the First US President in how many years to be invited to meet The Queen of England? He has a great relationship with Japan. France and England are just mad that he is making them pay their fair share in NATO. Historically, they have only been our allies when they need us to defend them.
 
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Benjamin

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we're talking about Trump starting a war with Iran. This has nothing to do with Obama.
And I'm saying Trump's approach is much more rational and SANE than the previous administration (Obama!) toward Iran, ...which is exactly on the topic if you could only see past yer the end of your long nose.
 

FollowTheWay

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Trump was the First US President in how many years to be invited to meet The Queen of England. He had great relationship with Japan. Fence and England are just mad that he is making them pay their fair share in NATO. Historically, they have only been our allies when they need us to defend them.

Visits of Presidents of the United States to the United Kingdom

Visits of Presidents of the United States to the United Kingdom

2016

April 21-24, 2016
Barack H. Obama
Travel to London, UK as part of a trip to Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom and Germany. Photos are on Flickr.

2014

September 4-5, 2014
Barack H. Obama
Travel to Newport, South Wales, United Kingdom to participate in the 2014 Summit meeting of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).

2011

May 24-26, 2011
Barack H. Obama
State Visit of President Obama to the United Kingdom

2009

March 31- April 3, 2009
Barack H. Obama
Visit of President Obama to the United Kingdom
 
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FollowTheWay

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And I'm saying Trump's approach is much more rational and SANE than the previous administration (Obama!) toward Iran, ...which is exactly on the topic if you could only see past yer the end of your long nose.

Trump arbitrarily withdrew from the treaty the Obama administration put forth which was agreed to by most of our powerful allies. This is not the way to do international diplomacy. It's just one more example of Trump taking down the American position in the world. What did he get in return? Nothing.
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Iran nuclear deal framework - Wikipedia

The Iran nuclear deal framework was a preliminary framework agreement reached in 2015 between the Islamic Republic of Iran and a group of world powers: the P5+1 (the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council—the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany) and the European Union.

Negotiations for a framework deal over the nuclear program of Iran took place between the foreign ministers of the countries at a series of meetings held from March 26 to April 2, 2015 in Lausanne, Switzerland. On April 2 the talks came to a conclusion and a press conference was held by Federica Mogherini (High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy) and Mohammad Javad Zarif (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran) to announce that the eight parties had reached an agreement on a framework deal. The parties announced, "Today, we have taken a decisive step: we have reached solutions on key parameters of a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action," which they intended to complete by June 30.[1][2][3][4] Announcing the framework, Foreign Minister Zarif stated: "No agreement has been reached so we do not have any obligation yet. Nobody has obligations now other than obligations that we already undertook under the Joint Plan of Action that we adopted in Geneva in November 2013."[5]

The framework deal was embodied in a document published by the EU's European External Action Service titled Joint Statement by EU High Representative Federica Mogherini and Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif Switzerland,[1] and in a document published by the U.S. Department of State titled Parameters for a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran's Nuclear Program.[6]

On July 14, 2015, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action between Iran and the P5+1 and EU, a comprehensive agreement based on the April 2015 framework, was announced.[7]

On May 8, 2018, United States President Donald Trump announced the United States was withdrawing from the deal.[8]
 

Reynolds

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Trump arbitrarily withdrew from the treaty the Obama administration put forth which was agreed to by most of our powerful allies. This is not the way to do international diplomacy. It's just one more example of Trump taking down the American position in the world. What did he get in return? Nothing.
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Iran nuclear deal framework - Wikipedia

The Iran nuclear deal framework was a preliminary framework agreement reached in 2015 between the Islamic Republic of Iran and a group of world powers: the P5+1 (the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council—the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, France, and China—plus Germany) and the European Union.

Negotiations for a framework deal over the nuclear program of Iran took place between the foreign ministers of the countries at a series of meetings held from March 26 to April 2, 2015 in Lausanne, Switzerland. On April 2 the talks came to a conclusion and a press conference was held by Federica Mogherini (High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy) and Mohammad Javad Zarif (Minister of Foreign Affairs of Iran) to announce that the eight parties had reached an agreement on a framework deal. The parties announced, "Today, we have taken a decisive step: we have reached solutions on key parameters of a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action," which they intended to complete by June 30.[1][2][3][4] Announcing the framework, Foreign Minister Zarif stated: "No agreement has been reached so we do not have any obligation yet. Nobody has obligations now other than obligations that we already undertook under the Joint Plan of Action that we adopted in Geneva in November 2013."[5]

The framework deal was embodied in a document published by the EU's European External Action Service titled Joint Statement by EU High Representative Federica Mogherini and Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif Switzerland,[1] and in a document published by the U.S. Department of State titled Parameters for a Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran's Nuclear Program.[6]

On July 14, 2015, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action between Iran and the P5+1 and EU, a comprehensive agreement based on the April 2015 framework, was announced.[7]

On May 8, 2018, United States President Donald Trump announced the United States was withdrawing from the deal.[8]
Trump is the third President to visit her on an official State visit.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I guess that's why he was fighting France and England.
He already beat France. England on the other hand was wavering and w/o our help was a goner. If we were not involved Russia would not have made it either but the Germans on their own and without interference should have beat Russia.
 

Reynolds

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He already beat France. England on the other hand was wavering and w/o our help was a goner. If we were not involved Russia would not have made it either but the Germans on their own and without interference should have beat Russia.
As any historian well knows. He would have beat Russia, then England. Then he and Italy would have split the rest of Europe. He and Japan would have split Asia and Africa. Then, they would have conquered us.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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As any historian well knows. He would have beat Russia, then England. Then he and Italy would have split the rest of Europe. He and Japan would have split Asia and Africa. Then, they would have conquered us.
He already beat England and without us bailing them out.... curtains. Italy, well they never had any real fight in them evidenced by all the guns that were on the ground when they retreated. The Japs, well all we had to do is bomb the crap outa them.
 

Reynolds

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He already beat England and without us bailing them out.... curtains. Italy, well they never had any real fight in them evidenced by all the guns that were on the ground when they retreated. The Japs, well all we had to do is bomb the crap outa them.
We must have studied different history books.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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We must have studied different history books.

I’m just interested in the possibilities of the USA being the dominant country in the Americas and Europe. The Soviets have been a pain since before WWII and then became a bigger one afterwards. Patton wanted them neutered and would have marched on them but no we had placate them.

The Germans would have exhausted themselves anyway and we could have eliminated Hitler via assignation and/or political manipulation.
 

Reynolds

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I’m just interested in the possibilities of the USA being the dominant country in the Americas and Europe. The Soviets have been a pain since before WWII and then became a bigger one afterwards. Patton wanted them neutered and would have marched on them but no we had placate them.

The Germans would have exhausted themselves anyway and we could have eliminated Hitler via assignation and/or political manipulation.
We could have just A bombed them all into oblivion.
 

Benjamin

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Trump arbitrarily withdrew from the treaty the Obama administration put forth which was agreed to by most of our powerful allies.
“Arbitrarily”?! Get real! That “treaty” was pure insanity and was backed by allies who were foolishly going along Obama’s progressive ideological leadership!

This is not the way to do international diplomacy.

“International diplomacy”?! Is that your new word for Obama’s destructive and corrupt progressive agenda? The monies given to Iran were used to attack our interests around the world, and no one in their right mind would have expected any different from Iran – …

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.” ~ Albert Einstein

It's just one more example of Trump taking down the American position in the world.

No, the truth is it is exactly the opposite, it is another example of reversing Obama’s very poor and suspicious policies that were fabricated to take America down with his progressive agenda.

What did he get in return? Nothing.

What did we get, respect for a change!
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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“Arbitrarily”?! Get real! That “treaty” was pure insanity and was backed by allies who were foolishly going along Obama’s progressive ideological leadership!



“International diplomacy”?! Is that your new word for Obama’s destructive and corrupt progressive agenda? The monies given to Iran were used to attack our interests around the world, and no one in their right mind would have expected any different from Iran – …

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.” ~ Albert Einstein



No, the truth is it is exactly the opposite, it is another example of reversing Obama’s very poor and suspicious policies that were fabricated to take America down with his progressive agenda.



What did we get, respect for a change!
Respect?!? How is that? The Devil never respects and they will plot our demise at every turn.
 
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