Donald Trump Indicted by special counsel

[canadyjd]

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For example, when asked to provide a lie Trump told I responded and you accused me of being fixated in Trump…..

You didn’t post an example of “a” lie that DT told. You cited at least 33 examples, that I could count, of you disagreeing with DT about what he said. Many are debatable but you call them “lies”

Yes, DT is living rent free in your mind.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

The Federal Records Act?

Not sure. It specifically dealt with POTUS and a federal judge made a ruling in Clinton’s case that POTUS decides what is personal and they get to keep.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

You didn’t post an example of “a” lie that DT told. You cited at least 33 examples, that I could count, of you disagreeing with DT about what he said. Many are debatable but you call them “lies”

Yes, DT is living rent free in your mind.

peace to you

Nah. It only took about 5 minutes.

I can do the same with Biden, BTW.

For some reason organizations actually save the quotes of our Presidents along with when they were spoken and the venue.

But I do maintain that US citizens should take the time to research these things, especially if they vote.

Why do you believe knowing where a politician has lied is a bad thing? Why wouldn't you want to know when a US President lies to US citizens?

This is an example, I suspect, of our culture. We expect our leaders to lie to us so if anybody dare to point it out they are obsessed.

 

[JonC]

Not sure. It specifically dealt with POTUS and a federal judge made a ruling in Clinton’s case that POTUS decides what is personal and they get to keep.

peace to you

Do you have a reference for Clinton keeping classified documents without officially declassifying them?

I'm curious, not really for Trump's issue but because in a past life I did investigations (and had to deal with flags for people accidentally picking up wrong docs).

 

[JonC]

Not sure. It specifically dealt with POTUS and a federal judge made a ruling in Clinton’s case that POTUS decides what is personal and they get to keep.

peace to you

Never mind. I found it

It is the Presidential Records Act.
Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978


Clinton had Taylor Branch interview him for an oral history of his presidency.

Judicial Watch sued because Clinton kept the tapes. The court determined that the Act did not apply because those tapes were not official records but Clinton's personal accounts of his presidency given over several interviews to document his time in office.

 

[canadyjd]

Nah. It only took about 5 minutes.

I can do the same with Biden, BTW.

For some reason organizations actually save the quotes of our Presidents along with when they were spoken and the venue.

But I do maintain that US citizens should take the time to research these things, especially if they vote.

Why do you believe knowing where a politician has lied is a bad thing? Why wouldn't you want to know when a US President lies to US citizens?

This is an example, I suspect, of our culture. We expect our leaders to lie to us so if anybody dare to point it out they are obsessed.

Never said we shouldn’t know when politicians lie. That’s one reason I rarely debate you. You throw these accusations out that have no foundation but need to be addressed lest someone else think they are true.

Disagreements about issues is not lying. For example, you called DT’s claim of low unemployment among minority groups a lie. It was not.

There are things that you quoted as a lie that he should get credit for. It looks like you just posted a bunch of stuff the Dems have said about DT without really checking primary sources to verify.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Never mind. I found it

It is the Presidential Records Act.
Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978


Clinton had Taylor Branch interview him for an oral history of his presidency.

Judicial Watch sued because Clinton kept the tapes. The court determined that the Act did not apply because those tapes were not official records but Clinton's personal accounts of his presidency given over several interviews to document his time in office.

Are you certain they were not considered “official records”? You might want to check that ruling again to see what it specifically says.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

Are you certain they were not considered “official records”? You might want to check that ruling again to see what it specifically says.

peace to you

Yes.
The National Archives had told Judicial Watch that the materials were personal records and as such that did not fall within the Presidential Records Act’s purview prior to the lawsuit.

U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson dismissed the case because the tapes were not official records (they were recordings of Clinton giving several interviews).

Jackson wrote that the act "assigns the Archivist no role with respect to personal records once the Presidency concludes" and "does not confer any mandatory or even discretionary authority on the Archivist to classify records. Under the statute, this responsibility is left solely to the President".


And these were not classified tapes. The watch group did not contest that fact. They complained the tapes were presidential documents. The court disagreed.

That s has nothing to do with Trump.




In the Court's view, plaintiff reads too much into this statement. Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion, see44 U.S.C. § 2203(b), so the Deputy Archivist could not and did not make a classification decision that can be challenged here. When she posited that perhaps the plaintiff was asking NARA “to make a further determination that the materials in question ought to be considered ‘[P]residential records,’ ” she was, if anything, as counsel for the defendant suggested at the hearing, opining on the question of whether there were grounds for the Archivist to choose to invoke the enforcement mechanism embodied in the statute. Tr. at 8; 23–24. But, neither plaintiff nor defendant believes that is a decision that is at issue in this lawsuit, see id., at 8–9, 37, 42, and 50, and, as is discussed below, such a decision would not be reviewable in any event...Judicial Watch, Inc. v. Nat'l Archives & Records Admin., 845 F. Supp. 2d 288 | Casetext Search + Citator

 

[Van]

As far as lies go, those are well documented and available even on this site (both Trump and Biden).

In regards to Trump really believing that all he had to do was think about it and documents would be declassified, you have a point but that point doesn't matter (it only makes Trump look foolish). Ignorance of the law is no excuse. What makes Trump's actions worse is that he elevated the crime from a misdemeanor to a felony.

Please stop making the claim about Mr. Trump being a liar, unless you can provide examples. In his first, and successful campaign, he made many promises, and failed to fulfill some of them. He did not complete construction of the border wall. He did not drain the swamp, as the FBI remained a rouge organization, for example the FISA warrants claimed the Steel document was verified.

He did fulfill many others, such as SCOTUS nominees.

I did not say Mr. Trump believed all he had to do was think the documents were declassified and they would be. The President of the United States cannot be hamstrung with the red tape of endless government regulations. The fact he moved documents marked classified from a secure location to Mira Largo demonstrates his belief he had the authority to do so. Full Stop

 

[Wingman68]

 

[JonC]

Please stop making the claim about Mr. Trump being a liar, unless you can provide examples. In his first, and successful campaign, he made many promises, and failed to fulfill some of them. He did not complete construction of the border wall. He did not drain the swamp, as the FBI remained a rouge organization, for example the FISA warrants claimed the Steel document was verified.

He did fulfill many others, such as SCOTUS nominees.

I did not say Mr. Trump believed all he had to do was think the documents were declassified and they would be. The President of the United States cannot be hamstrung with the red tape of endless government regulations. The fact he moved documents marked classified from a secure location to Mira Largo demonstrates his belief he had the authority to do so. Full Stop

I have provided a long list of lies Trump told.


"Used to take 20 years to get a highway approved, wow we're down to two.”.

Nope. That's a lie.

“We created a record 11.4 million jobs in the last five months". Nope, those were not created jobs.



“You notice they [Democrats] never criticize China, right?"
Nope, that is a lie. Pelosi and Schumer have been very critical of China.

"Wisconsin had the best year that they've ever had last year.”

Nope. That was a lie.

“Perhaps most importantly of all, with nearly three trillion dollars, we fully rebuilt the American military, all made in the USA.”

Another lie. The amount Trump gave was 80,% too high.

“We built almost 500 miles of wall.”
Nope. Another lie. 40 miles were built under Trump.

But like I said.....sheeple.

No wonder Trump criticized Pence for being "too honest'.

 

[Salty]

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